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Old 06-29-2009, 07:06 AM   #1
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retire-and-be-happy: Personal Finance News from Yahoo! Finance

Dead is the new retirement. OK, that doesn't sound appealing, but working till you drop is a heck of a lot better than playing crappy golf at the country club, eating chicken salad sandwiches for lunch, and complaining about your gall bladder.
At least, it is if you can find a job in retirement that brings meaning and happiness. So says Marshall Goldsmith, whose blog entry "Brett Favre and the Difficult Art of Retiring Successfully" appeared last August on the Harvard Business Review's Web site...

A shot across FIRE's bow.
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Old 06-29-2009, 07:27 AM   #2
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I think the article is on the money. People who retire with adequate $ resources and no other plan for 'what to do' all day are risking disappointment. Some people are lucky/smart enough to naturally have meaningful activities and relationships in place and do well without conventional work, but many are not and it takes them by surprise. I'd encourage reading How to Retire Happy, Wild, and Free AND Work Less, Live More several years before retiring. 'What to do' planning is just as important as $ planning IMHO but many people only focus on the latter.
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Dead is the new retirement. OK, that doesn't sound appealing, but working till you drop is a heck of a lot better than playing crappy golf at the country club, eating chicken salad sandwiches for lunch, and complaining about your gall bladder.
I don't complain about my gall bladder since I don't have one anymore. Anyone wanna hear about my back aches.....?
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Hmmm - like mastering meditation on the sound of one hand clapping I have yet to attain guru status in the art of doing absolutely nothing all day.

But I have worked very hard at it for 15 years. Us lefthanded INTJ's never say die.

heh heh heh - 16th year I'll get it - you'll see. Not so sure about the Saint's upcoming season though.
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Wow - I understand this premise may be appealing to some people, and there is some appeal to the idea of "doing something meaningful" while retired. But the notion that ER would leave me drifting without meaning and forced to participate in sports followed by leisurely lunches just to fill the time is both laughable and wrong. Besides I think I could even spend quite a few years doing so and enjoy it much more than wasting my time in a maze of cubicles following directions from clueless and mean spirited managers, ruled by a timeclock. This author doesn't seem to have worked at anyplace I ever did, but then I wasn't CEO or QB like the examples cited.
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Dead is the new retirement. OK, that doesn't sound appealing, but working till you drop is a heck of a lot better than playing crappy golf at the country club, eating chicken salad sandwiches for lunch, and complaining about your gall bladder.
At least, it is if you can find a job in retirement that brings meaning and happiness. So says Marshall Goldsmith, whose blog entry "Brett Favre and the Difficult Art of Retiring Successfully" appeared last August on the Harvard Business Review's Web site...

A shot across FIRE's bow.
Let's dissect this. If someone doesn't like chicken salad sandwiches, they shouldn't eat them for lunch whether they are retired or working. If I want to complain about my gall bladder (which was removed 15 years ago), I would do so at work if I am at work.

That would reduce the argument to "working till you drop is a heck of a lot better than playing crappy golf at the country club".

I would suggest that we all should have the opportunity to pursue our dreams sometime before we die, and retirement is a good time to pursue them. Who is to say that golf is an unworthy dream?

Work involves doing what you must do to earn a living, whether you happen to feel like it or not. If someone prefers work to pursuing their dreams, then maybe they need to do some more introspection and self questioning about what their priorities really are.

If someone's work and their dreams coincide, more power to them. But I think that is not generally the case and when it isn't, retirement is not only justified - - it is something that we owe to ourselves.
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Now I am hungry for a chicken salad sandwich but I gave up chicken.
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I'm no golfer. But I'd rather learn to be a really bad golfer, country club or not, than be an empl*yee anywhere.

OTOH if I can make a buck at my leisure, in a nice non-demanding enterprise of mine, i'd do it. Fat chance of that.

Though selling off unused crap valuable stuff from my vast collection on Craigslist or Ebay comes fairly close to low effort $making. Takes care of coffee and donuts.
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You said, it, Buddy!

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Been retired nine months, he is right, it is not a good idea, now it sounds like an excellent idea.

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Disaster schmaster, call it anything you want, still sounds excellent to me. I see those kinds of folks on the old schedule, after 6 p.m., thank you.

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Huh, I donít even understand this one. Thatís the whole point of RE, you can do what you want, planned or not.

Sorry, I couldnít read any farther, the idiot blogger started using the ďWĒ word (W*rk) repeatedly.
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from the article..."Doing nothing isn't an option. In fact, it's a bad plan. Experts don't disagree about that."

Darnit, I was just perfecting the art.
Oh well....
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I don't complain about my gall bladder since I don't have one anymore. Anyone wanna hear about my back aches.....?
Wanna borrow mine (gall bladder)? Special weekly rate this month.
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Anyone wanna hear about my back aches.....?
Look at the crappy posture those boots/heels is causing. No wonder your back hurts! Wear something sturdy and practical and your back woes will vanish.........





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from the article..."Doing nothing isn't an option. In fact, it's a bad plan. Experts don't disagree about that."

Darnit, I was just perfecting the art.
Oh well....
Obviously the author never read Nord's the fog of work.
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Look at the crappy posture those boots/heels is causing. No wonder your back hurts! Wear something sturdy and practical and your back woes will vanish.........
Where's the fun in that?
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Wives and adult children aren't waiting around waiting for you to grace them with your presence

Reminds me of a corny joke I saw the other day in a magazine: A newly retired guy was quoting his wife who said. "He retired. We have half the income and I have twice the husband. And I'm not wild about either."
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Ahhh...now you are a great pal! Let me think it over.......

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Look at the crappy posture those boots/heels is causing. No wonder your back hurts! Wear something sturdy and practical and your back woes will vanish.........
The back woes will vanish, but...ummm...nah, it's not worth it. No pain, no fun gain.....
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Hmmm - like mastering meditation on the sound of one hand clapping I have yet to attain guru status in the art of doing absolutely nothing all day.
When I tell people I no longer work, the next question they usually ask is "what do you do all day?"
Well, I look at them with an exhausted smile and answer, "I'm soooo busy doing nothing all day, I just don't have time to do anything else"
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