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Re: 22 Year Old Question
Old 02-06-2006, 09:16 AM   #21
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Originally Posted by lets-retire
The way I look at it, I don't care if I'm at work 1 hour or 15 hours either way my day is ruined.
In my experience, a 1 hour day ain't too bad, but a 15 hour day usually sucks pretty bad (unless you're getting paid by the hour to, say, fly from NYC to Bangkok or something).

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Re: 22 Year Old Question
Old 02-06-2006, 09:18 AM   #22
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First off, HOW BOUT THE STEELERS!!!!!!
That PMI can really get ya. I thought it was 25%? I may be wrong however. Those are some great numbers you put up there. When you say 15k, is that with or without company matching? I would really like to pay off a house in 15 years or so, and I learned in my finace class about amortization. I was thinking about putting it on a 25-30 year note, and after the first payment, use about 5k to pay off the principal and about 5-8 years of the loan. I would like to put it on a longer loan, because you never know what can happen. But, then again, you can always pay the principal amount, and knock of thousands of dollars(when I have money left over). My professor said, always do that early because it means alot more then later. Made alot of sense.

Also, Frayne- my instrumentation professor tells us when you get into the plant, always learn as much as you can. Let me ask you, when you started working at BP, did you max out your retirement stuff? I know there was 401k's back then, but Im sure the package I will be getting is about the same as yours.

Peter- good luck with that prospect...

any more words of wisdom from anyone would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 02-06-2006, 09:36 AM   #23
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Also, many furniture/home furnishings stores have plenty of "pay zero interest until 2007/2008/2009" deals, so you'd still be able to buy some standard furniture to start with and not have it kill your budget.
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Old 02-06-2006, 02:54 PM   #24
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Yup, always maxed out my 401k, was a no brainer back in those days before the Roth IRA. My advice is capture the compamy match and put the rest in a Roth.
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Re: 22 Year Old Question

Originally Posted by Peter76
Welcome bode,

Regarding what to do with your earnings, I'd suggest the following:

$90k* Estimated total household income
$15k* 401 (k) Contribution-yours
$15k* 401 (K) Contribution-spouse
$* 4k* *ROTH Contribution-yours
$* 4k* *ROTH Contribution-spouse
$52k* Taxable Income
Taxable income should be $60k, no? ROTH contributions are post-tax....unless I totally missed something
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Old 02-06-2006, 04:54 PM   #26
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You are correct, sir. Taxable income is 60k, tax is paid, then the 8k comes out of the post-tax net.
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Re: 22 Year Old Question

Originally Posted by bode316
First off, HOW BOUT THE STEELERS!!!!!!
While I didn't see the whole game, I couldn't believe the 'offensive pass interference' call against Seattle's first touchdown....then, to add insult to injury, the imagined Pittsburgh first 'touchdown'. Even though I had some ties to Pittsburgh (5 years hard labor at Carnegie Mellon), when I saw the injustices by the referees, my Guardian personality kicked in and I started routing for the victimized underdog.

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That PMI can really get ya. I thought it was 25%?
The standard is that if you have less than 20% equity in your house, you will have to pay PMI.

Using Yahoo! Finance's mortgage calculator, here are some comparisons:
$150,000 home price
10% down (which you already have from your grandparents' gift), 6% 30-year mortgage: $809/month (not including PMI)
I think I've heard some people say PMI could run about $100/month, but I think that would be for a fairly larger mortgage (?)

If you wait to save up 20% down, but mortgage rates rise to 7%, your monthly payment is $798/month. At $3k/month in disposable income, you'd save up the extra $15k in, say, 9 months...but you'd need to rent an apartment (probably sign a 1-year lease) at, say, $750/month ($8,000 total rent).

Advantages of buying with 10% down:
--You avoid throwing rent money down the drain (all that rent would go straight into paying off your mortgage)
--You lock in ultra-low mortgage rates now (they may not jump up as much as people expect, but they sure aren't going to drop down to 4% for a 30-year mortgage..and if they do, refinance ).

Disadvantages of just having 10% down:
--You pay PMI. However, as noted, when you reach 20% equity, the lender (by law) has to stop charging you. Of course, it might take some prodding and instigating on your part. But, the PMI you'd pay for less than 1 year (when you'd be able to accumulate enough extra payments to grow from 10% to 20% equity) would be far less than signing a 1-year apartment lease.

Whenever you do do your mortgage, see if the lender will offer bi-weekly payments. Send in your mortgage payment twice a month instead of just once a month...that two week advance payment alone can shave off something like 4 years from a 30-year mortgage, without you paying anything over and above your traditional monthly mortgage payment. So, if you add in additional extra payments, then you'd be saving even more, as you noted, if you go w/ a 30-year, and for some reason you can't make extra payments, you have lower monthly payments to deal with instead of getting closer to maxing out your budget with a 15-year mortgage.

And yes, thanks Marshac for catching my error (one of those brain farts). Bode's taxable income would be 60k, not 52k, assuming $30k in 401 (k) employee contributions and $8k in ROTH (advanced reminder: in 2008, they increase the annual ROTH contribution to $5k)

The 15k I suggested would be before the company, if you (and your spouse) are able to sock away $30k combined (before company matches) into your 401(k)/year, plus the $8k in your ROTH, you'd have a hell of a jumpstart to FI. By the time you're 30, the two of you will have invested almost $350k (with 6% company matches), without any growth (over $450k assuming 7% average annual growth)! That's almost where the two of you could then simply stop contributing altogether to your 401 (k)s/ROTH IRAs and simply let that ride until you're 60 and retire at the 'traditional' retirement age and spend every dollar that you earn at work in the meantime...or, continue saving and retire much earlier.

Sure, it's forgoing a lot of income...but, you'd still have approximately $37k/annual disposable income, which you'd probably use as a very rough guesstimate budget (in 2005 dollars) for an early retirement it's something you could use as a preliminary test run (of course, after 20 years, you'd likely have your house paid off, so that'd be an extra $10k/year in free cash flow to spend).

However, as I noted in my first post - what kind of investment options do they give you in the 401 (k) plan? That would be the big deciding factor on whether to contribute just enough to get the match, or if I think you should max out (if possible).
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Re: 22 Year Old Question
Old 02-08-2006, 07:15 AM   #28
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Peter, thanks for the response. I am still in college right now, and graduating this summer. If I had to guess, I will be starting full-time work in August or early September. My fiance starts in December as an RN.

This is what I was wondering, since my future company will match my 401k, does it make sense to put in the matching amount 6%, then put 4% into a roth? I was thinking a roth would be very good because I am pretty sure that in the future, they are going to tax the hell out of my generation.

I dont know which options they have in the 401k, but I am sure they are great. They were voted the 2nd best company to work for.

I won't live in an apartment, I will just stay at home until we get close to getting married(next summer, and if I can stand it) and sock away as much dough as I can for almost a year.

That would be very nice to be a third of the way to a million by the time I am 30, and my goal is to become a millionaire by the time I am in my 40's. Not just with net worth, but in retirement planning.

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