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Old 01-10-2007, 02:03 AM   #21
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Am I the only one that works for Mega corp and actually finds it better than any other startup or mega corp I've worked for?
Well, let's see how this stacks up against the U.S. Navy's submarine force:

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Great pay
Check.

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excellent benefits
Check.

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enjoyable work
Eh, well, uhm, aaaaah, OK. Most of the time. Check.

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but at worst it's never actually "bad"
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that lets me express my creativity and communication strengths
Yeah, right. That's what they taught us to call it when the boss's forehead veins were pumping and his face was turning red and the paint was peeling from him creatively expressing those communications strengths...

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coworkers who respect and work with me
Pretty much. We'll give that a "check".

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flexible hours with telecommuting whenever I want as long as I don't have in-person meetings.
Oh stop, you're killin' me here!! "Flexible"-- yeah, that's what my weekend working hours were called. I telecommuted many a long mile for them "flexible" hours.

Checklist complete. Anyone want to try to do better?
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Re: Asking for raise
Old 01-10-2007, 05:39 AM   #22
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Thanks again for replies.
Well my benefits are:
1. Retirement 403b, the employer always contribues 9% no matter how much I contribute
2. Free tuition at local schools
3. 12 paid holidays
4. 4 personal days
5. 4 weeks vacation, can carry over up to 44 days every year as long as I work there
6. I pay $60/month for health and dental for family plan and it is a very good plan
7. 14 sick days
8. Flex time. No working on the weekends either. I am not on call 24/7
9. Work 35hrs/week
10. There are other small perks and benefits which currently escape my mind...

I do use my vacations a lot and my boss does allow me to take 4-5 weeks off at a time (I like to take a lot time off at one time not lots of small vacations as I travel to distant locations)
I am the only IT person at my job and can do pretty much anything I want as long as I get my things done and things are running smoothly. (I don't read magazines by the server BTW )

Since my last review I started to send my boss weekly reports every Friday on the work I have done during that week.

So far everywhere I looked the benefits were not that great. Usually 5% retirement, $400/month health care, 2 weeks vacations etc.
That's why it's been hard for me to make a move and get myself another job.


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Old 01-10-2007, 07:49 AM   #23
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So if the actual pay is enough to meet your goals, then you sound set in a lot of ways. But you might have to take a step back to take a step forward. If they pay all your tuition, then at the very least, get whatever next degree is logical ASAP! You might find a lot more opportunities/offers after that!
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Old 01-10-2007, 08:02 AM   #24
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maggieddd, Laurence is giving you great advice.

Only thing I saw from others that I would respectfully suggest against is letting your boss know you have another job offer, if it comes to that. Those situations seldom work out ... after telling your boss you're ready to leave, you have a job offer in hand, and then your boss gives you a raise to keep you there ... well, you usually end up getting fired shortly thereafter. Just sours the water.

If you ever do get a job offer that you might take, but you want to stay at your job ... just tell your boss you need a raise, and give him a number to shoot for, slightly above your offer (because he'll likely haircut your number). If he hits it, great. If not, adios, nicely, and you gave him / her a chance.

You have very good benefits indeed, and that long vacation will be very, very tough to replace.

The employees who are valued most highly in business are those who clearly create shareholder value ... they help make the owners rich. (I recognize gov't agencies are a different animal ...) Make sure your boss and others know when you've created bottom line improvements. [You can also take any annual bottom line savings / profits you create, and divide by the bottom line / pretax / EBT margin ... gives you the equivalent sales to create that bottom line. Makes it a bigger number, and some people only "get" sales.] I recognize in your job it may be tough to show bottom line improvements ... but go after it if you see the opportunity.

So keep reporting your successes and work to your boss, try to do some larger improvements to the business that create real value ... and make sure your boss and others know what you've done. Also, get that training Laurence mentions ... keep building your resume.

Always hedge whenever you can. Be ready for that change of jobs ... it will come. Have liquid savings, for six months from my perspective. Keep your training up. Network with others who might provide job leads. And get a home equity credit line if you own your home. Liquidity is key ... both in money, and job skills.

Sorry to go on so, but I am near the end of my career ... perspectives born of many years.

Best of luck.
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Old 01-10-2007, 08:45 AM   #25
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OK, so I decided to take some classes at the local college (free ). I am interested in UNIX and databases. They have Intro to Unix and Programming in Forth Generation Language (MySQL). I would like to learn both. Wondering which one I should start with. I am thinking of gaining more advanced skills and perhaps move on one day.
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Old 01-10-2007, 08:46 AM   #26
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Or would going for Master's be a better option? I have a BA in Computer Science.
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Old 01-10-2007, 09:30 AM   #27
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So I made the choice to get a Masters vs. additional certs at this point. Certs are important, but they have a shelf life.

You have a BA? Not a BS? CS or CIS?
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Old 01-10-2007, 10:05 AM   #28
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So I made the choice to get a Masters vs. additional certs at this point. Certs are important, but they have a shelf life.

You have a BA? Not a BS? CS or CIS?
yes BA in Computer Science. I don't know if I want to go for Master's yet
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Old 01-10-2007, 11:22 AM   #29
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As your employer will pay for your masters, take it and don't think twice. A lot of people forget the opportunity cost of getting a master's, so when a company will support you in a way that your only opportunity cost is time, it's a golden ticket. Sure beats trying to pay tens of thousands of dollars.

If you decide that you're not ready to jump into a master's, take the Unix class as it's much more marketable long-term. It'll pave the way for more advanced Unix sysadmin courses, which ultimately will make your resume significantly stronger.

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Old 01-10-2007, 12:20 PM   #30
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I agree. In fact I'm taking three UNIX courses in March (yes while working on the Masters, because I'm sick in the head!).
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One word --> Outsource. I would do a Masters degree first and foremost.

My niche is implementing and supporting large scale Oracle ERP applications on UNIX platforms. I will tell you this, mega corps are always looking for "opportunity" to trim costs. One big cost hog is infrastructure. My former employer didn't bat an eyelash signing a multimillion dollar deal with IBM to outsource most of it's infrastructure to a remote location in Brazil.

Back to my niche, a very lucrative living can be made doing implementation consulting on large scale ERP applications. I get inquires once a month from IBM and Oracle to do just this with a caveat: 100% travel which I will not do. The pay can run >150K per year.
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You have a work schedule to die for, but you owe it to yourself to keep your skills state of the art. And do not overlook the possibility that your school may outsource some or all of your job, or that leadership changes and you are out the door.

I like the weekly report. It will serve you well.
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Old 01-10-2007, 02:22 PM   #33
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You have a work schedule to die for, but you owe it to yourself to keep your skills state of the art. And do not overlook the possibility that your school may outsource some or all of your job, or that leadership changes and you are out the door.

I like the weekly report. It will serve you well.
what makes you think I work for a school?
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One word --> Outsource. I would do a Masters degree first and foremost.

My niche is implementing and supporting large scale Oracle ERP applications on UNIX platforms. I will tell you this, mega corps are always looking for "opportunity" to trim costs. One big cost hog is infrastructure. My former employer didn't bat an eyelash signing a multimillion dollar deal with IBM to outsource most of it's infrastructure to a remote location in Brazil.

Back to my niche, a very lucrative living can be made doing implementation consulting on large scale ERP applications. I get inquires once a month from IBM and Oracle to do just this with a caveat: 100% travel which I will not do. The pay can run >150K per year.
hmmm, how do I get into implementation consulting on large scale ERP application? Where do you learn Oracle?
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403b plans are retirement plan for Universities, civil government, and not-for-profit employees. Free tuition for employees and family members at affiliated schools is common in higher education.

Could be wrong, of course, but most persons with your benefits structure work in higher ed (tho could be non-profit private primary/secondary school affiliated with a faith-based education system).

Well, was I wrong
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hmmm, how do I get into implementation consulting on large scale ERP application? Where do you learn Oracle?
You'll need to start from the bottom, which isn't bad pay by the way. You need to look for opportunities either within your organization or other companies that may be hiring Jr. System Analysts (or other entry level positions of that ilk). Having a business background coupled with the technical knowledge is quite helpful as well. Understanding business functionality in one breath and speaking with your peers about CBO on Oracle 10g, or knowing how and why you need to grep unix at the command line (lol) will make you valuable.

You can't become a subject matter expert in the ERP implementation space overnight, but you could certainly work towards that goal. Also, it's key to build up your career network along the way.
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Maggie, Wow! You have great benefits. USE THEM!!!! as the Board members are advising. You will make yourself more fulfilled AND more marketable at the same time.

This is ALL up to you!
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403b plans are retirement plan for Universities, civil government, and not-for-profit employees. Free tuition for employees and family members at affiliated schools is common in higher education.

Could be wrong, of course, but most persons with your benefits structure work in higher ed (tho could be non-profit private primary/secondary school affiliated with a faith-based education system).

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You'll need to start from the bottom, which isn't bad pay by the way. You need to look for opportunities either within your organization or other companies that may be hiring Jr. System Analysts (or other entry level positions of that ilk). Having a business background coupled with the technical knowledge is quite helpful as well. Understanding business functionality in one breath and speaking with your peers about CBO on Oracle 10g, or knowing how and why you need to grep unix at the command line (lol) will make you valuable.

You can't become a subject matter expert in the ERP implementation space overnight, but you could certainly work towards that goal. Also, it's key to build up your career network along the way.
Thanks. There are no opportunites of such nature in my organization and I would hate to just quit and find another job without such benefits as I have now, so I think I will start with taking a UNIX class. Just have to figure out where I can practic all of the UNIX stuff I will learn at school.
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