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Re: Bored into retirement - the other side of the coin
Old 07-27-2005, 08:57 PM   #21
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Many people think about early retirement due to overwork or how their work life dominates their time.*

This may be difficult for some to believe but one factor in my decision is that I'm so bored in my position that I can't wait to leave.*

Monday - I don't have anything to do until later in the day when I have a staff meeting where I will tell them what to do.

Tuesday - some meeting but no deliverables

Wednesday - 2 meetings - no deliverables

Thurs - 2 meetings - no deliverables

Friday - off -

The next few weeks are like this - so I surf the internet and watch TV (yes I have a TV in my office)

Some may say that why leave a job like this?* It is the opposite side of the same coin as those who hate their job and/or work to much - but it is the same coin. Once you see that you can understand.* Having this opportunity adds to my conviction that RE is for me.
From a military perspective, times have been boring and times have been exciting. Boring is better.

Geez, Dex, why are there so many meetings? To find out why no one has any deliverables? (At least you're taking Friday off.) Maybe you could show John Cleese's video "Meetings, Bloody Meetings" at one of them and persuade people to skip a meeting or two.

If you weren't stuck in the office would you be surfing the net & watching TV? Could you bring in "homework" and do some of it in the office? Your workplace might not be happy that you're not working on work stuff, but at least you're not completely wasting their your time.

The military has a "joint" program that includes "Joint Professional Military Education". Much of it is done by correspondence where you finish the self-paced work, take a test, and mail it in for your certificate. The lower levels of JPME consist of reading up on military tactics, strategy, logistics, etc. So on boring days I was essentially getting paid (your tax dollars at work) to sit at my desk and read history books work on my JPME. Surely there's some workplace task even remotely tangent to your personal interests to allow you to do it in the office!

If you're watching TV & surfing the net at work, what will you do when you're home & retired?
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Re: Bored into retirement - the other side of the coin
Old 07-29-2005, 06:18 AM   #22
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Dex - I'm right there with you. I have plenty of days like you are describing. It really can bring you down because as an educated person I feel like I should always be adding value, but a lot of times things slow down and there is nothing to do.

When that happens, I like to watch webcasts of investment conferences which count as continuing education for my CFA charter. IF anybody asks I tell them I'm on a conference call and I slam my door shut. They can't tell because my monitor faces away from the door.

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Old 07-29-2005, 07:54 AM   #23
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saluki9,
It is interesting how many people identify with my situation. It is a story you do not hear or read about in the media. The stories are usually about how overworked people are.
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Old 07-29-2005, 08:36 AM   #24
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Believe me, it's not that rare. All you seem to hear about it people complaining about their 60, 70, 80, or 90 hour weeks. Then you go look at the labor market stats and see that the typical work week still isn't even at 40 hours.

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Dex, you are spot on. I've been in that position. Plus, when I did something, in my heart of hearts, I knew it was silly and meaningless. Corporate work sucks and, in many cases, is demeaning. It does provide a nice pension, though.
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I seem to have it both ways; overworked and bored.

I average about 11 hour days and most is spent in mind numbing bordom intertwined with corporate HR BS that makes one want to puke. Programs that are intended to meet a personal or company goal that has very little to do with reality and everything to do with individual incomes. Corporate initatives and HR programs are eyewash and have very little to do with helping either the average employee or to make the business run better. It is mostly just pure BS to pad annual bonus goals and to justify HR's existing.

Not that I am bitter or anything..... :

32 years in Megacorp.; this being my third mega...and being in various levels of manufuacturing site, division or Corporate management along the way will either make you a rapid cheerleader or a bitter realist. I choose the latter.

As long as they are willing to pay me to do my thing I will continue here until I pull the plug. There is not retirement from my present company. You just leave since there are no benefits that carry over into retirement. And they wonder why the turnover rate is 20-25% per year and company loyality is poor and support for new project is only half hearted. Maybe it is because people detect the BS management is spewing and the fact that people see through it all and understand that things are not going to change except to work harder with fewer people on more crap that corporate forces down to the sites to do without being throught through and with inadequate resources.

Ok, I will get off my soapbox now.

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ERed July 1st this year. Worked 32 years in a chemical manufacturing plant, pretty much in front line and middle management positions. After numerous rounds of benchmarking, downsizing, reorganizations simply got tired of the Dilbert type BS and decided life is too short to be bored and to work with stupid people, reguardless of the pay.
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Old 07-29-2005, 06:32 PM   #28
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I am totally bored in my job. It takes a lot of effort to even move the mouse to kick it off screensaver. Same thing day in, day out. I worked way harder up to about 6 months ago. However I noticed initiative is not appreciated and my boss wanted to be 100% control over me. Now I am told what to do at the beginning of the week. I usually finish by Monday or Tuesday and then fill up the rest of the time with face time with goof off time to errands, gym etc when I am not on the internet at my desk. It is very important though not to advertise in the company that you are bored. Who ever comes up with something to do for me, I refer them to my boss to set the priority. Boss feels important and ensures that he can kill it right away. It feels so unnatural, but if this is how I can keep my paycheck in the cube farm, that is ok. My boss seems to be extremely happy with the current situation.

I used to go to my boss when I was getting bored, telling him that I wanted to expand my skills and learn new things. He gave me spreadsheets and other typing assignments (I am an engineer). I don't need that. I also don't need any more 'challenges' and 'exciting' projects - just tired of it and lost all interest. Nowadays, I am usually recuperating at work from all the other real exciting things that go on in my life. Too busy with running a side business and building a house and all my outside interests to worry about doing at work. Keep yourself very busy outside of work, and you will appreciate the emptiness of your daily existence in the cube farm.

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Lol Vicky: Are there any interesting people at your work. I always find that helps. My first job out of college was a "soul sucker" but I had some pretty cool people to talk to about stuff and that helped a lot. My current job is the opposite, the work and boss are ok, but folks in my office are kinda dull (sorry to make generalizations).
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Old 07-29-2005, 07:21 PM   #30
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Yep, ther are some very nice folks at work. I work in R&D and I found that I can only properly communicate with someone who does not have a PhD (PhD's make up >50% of the cube farmers up here).

The gal two cubes over is really nice, she is taking an early out next year. She knows what I think and do but otherwise I keep to myself most of the time. I never go out for lunch with others and I barely socialize. The main reason is that otherwise people would find out what I really (don't) do at work and that I am not always in the lab like they are thinking but just goofing off

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...and my boss wanted to be 100% control over me...Now I am told what to do at the beginning of the week...It is very important though not to advertise in the company that you are bored. Who ever comes up with something to do for me, I refer them to my boss to set the priority... It feels so unnatural, but if this is how I can keep my paycheck in the cube farm, that is ok. My boss seems to be extremely happy with the current situation.

I used to go to my boss when I was getting bored, telling him that I wanted to expand my skills and learn new things. He gave me spreadsheets and other typing assignments (I am an engineer). I don't need that. I also don't need any more 'challenges' and 'exciting' projects - just tired of it and lost all interest.
I'm sorry, but having a "boss" is so demeaning.* I could NEVER live my life with a "boss" telling me what to do for 1/3 of my life.

I even consider having a “boss” worse than working.
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Old 07-30-2005, 01:12 AM   #32
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dex,

your job isn't any worse than anyone elses that is working for some one - absolutely meaningless of itself... just bear with us all and make meaning of it until FIRE than we can all make fun of the whole damn thing!
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I know the cube farm feeling :P Our cube farm is a ghetto. Picture this: rows and rows of cubes shaped into a square with 4 workstations and a WIDE open entrance so your three neighbors can see what you're doing, eating, saying all of the time. In addition, low walls. I'm 5'5" and the wall reaches my chin when I'm standing. It's aggravating when people walk by and *peer* into my work space. I just shoot them a dirty look. The contractor cubes are worse they look just like men's urinals (lol). The absolute insult is management (below director level) must SHARE a small office with another manager.( Err, I don't want to be promoted, thank you very much.) The offices are so small the occupants are practically stepping over on another. It's not that we lack offices. There are plenty of empty offices! It's that groups are slappped to together in order to be near a senior director who doesn't even acknowledge you when passing in the hall.

Gee, I'm not bitter or anything :
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Wow, cube_rat--I now understand your user name.*

My present job is the only one I've had since I started working (over 15 years) when I've had an office of my own with a door.*

It felt weird the first month to be at my own desk with guests sitting across me like I were the principal or some other authority figure (like a manager* ).

Now, I like it a lot, despite having no windows and despite the absence of any ability for me to control the temperature.
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It's aggravating when people walk by and *peer* into my work space. I just shoot them a dirty look

- I call that "rubbernecking". My first job I had an older guy do that. He would never talk to me though. Funny, that first job there were several that would never talk to you. Weirdos or just had the will sucked clean from their lives.

I have an office now and moved up enough that I got a nice window view.
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Well Maddie (sorry, I have a hard time calling you Maddie because I think your a guy ), in my previous life as an accounting manager for a Met Life subsidiary, I had cool office overlooking the Embarcadero in San Francisco. Well that life ended when I went into IT 7 years ago. I more than doubled my salary but look what I got in exchange. Anyway, my current employer is a great company in spite of it's weirdness with seating arrangements. I was just ranting a little bit here.
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BC and AD?

I worked in BC - before cubicle - the open bullpen sea of desks/drawing boards and mostly with a desk shoved into the corner of a lab or on a test stand platform with designer metal cabinets for knick knacks.

I kinda feel sorry for the AD's(after Dilbert) - love the Sunday cartoon though.

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In my last job, I was the token foreigner and they didn't have a clue how to use me. For the first six months they didn't give me any work. After that it was a half day a week. They gave me an office with a chair, a desk, and a telephone (which never rang), but no computer.

Also, they had built a new building and everyone moved into it but they were one office short. They put me in an office on the 8th floor of the old building. I was the only person in the entire building. It was very spooky especially after dark.

I ended up going to work once a week for a couple of hours and being a house husband. I stayed there for 3 years. Once I gave up the desire to be productive, the job was a lot less stressful for me.

My friend said to me the company was like a tomb but sometimes a tomb is not such a bad place to be.
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I feel that my job is similar.* I am an data network engineer but I work for a traditional phone company.* I feel that I work only about 2-4 hours of the day and usually on simple stuff.* Sometimes I feel that I'll get fired just because I am underutilized though I know my function in the company is quite valuable.* I have actually considered taking a different job just so I could work a full day's work and feel good about myself at the end of the day.

My latest idea is to talk with my boss and "ask" if he wouldn't mind if I took a class or two from the local university.* I am only a few classes away from a mathematics degree and would like to finish (but some of my remaining classes are only offered during the day).* Going back to school would help fill my schedule, provide a more challenging life, and help me finish something I set out to do over a decade ago!* Who knows, maybe in 4-6 years from now I'll drop the whole IT world and work as a mathematician!
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My latest idea is to talk with my boss and "ask" if he wouldn't mind if I took a class or two from the local university.*
You might not even need to ask.

When I was on active duty one of my officers completed his entire EE masters at U of Washington from his Oahu (Ford Island!) office. He did it all over the internet, including the video classroom lectures and the projects. (I did feel sorry for his troops-- "Hey, Petty Officer Schmuckatelli, come here and hold this wire for a second!") You might be able to do the same thing from a broadband connection in your office.

While I understand the dehumanizing concept of spending years in cubicles without having to actually experience it, I did spend a few years of my own in submarine staterooms and 80-year-old buildings that occasionally attempted to submerge as well. Think of the lack of privacy & surly co-workers as preparation for parenthood... and consider that you'll be able to have all the solitude you can handle in ER!
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