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Old 12-11-2014, 02:34 PM   #41
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Let her be twenty.
+1 Agree fully. I left college and went right into a corporate job. Within a year I went stir crazy and joined the Peace Corps instead. Best two years of my life. Not quite Disney Land, but close. I wish her luck.
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Old 12-11-2014, 03:27 PM   #42
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That's just Goofy... Sorry. But my very intelligent DD with a 4 yr paid scholarship dropped out and eventually took a job where 'she could use a highlighter '. 15 years later, she is still not making much money! but she loves the company and her job and is part owner... Their lives are not ours to decide. If I look back on my own career path, there was not much going on when I was 20, ok, I really can't remember that far back..but things didn't click for me until my 30's
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It's her life and it's not the end of the world. Compared to something like having a baby with the boyfriend from h%!#!l, it's not that bad. Nothing that can't be reversed.
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Let her be twenty.
Agreed this is a "first job out of college and it's fun" and if she has an ounce of sense she knows that. And at her age it doesn't matter much and she probably knows that too.

It could end well though. A nephew who graduated with two masters degrees, one in music and I forget the other, took a minimum wage job at Disney running a ride "just because that was something he always wanted to do". My sister raised an eyebrow but sensibly remained quiet.

He's still at Disney, but not running rides, no sireebob. He is in management and it doing very, very well for himself and having a ball as well.

So it is not the end of the world for her and she is not condemned to a lifetime of poverty.

Oh, and the last three times we went to Disney World we didn't have to pay to get in.
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It could end well though. A nephew who graduated with two masters degrees, one in music and I forget the other, took a minimum wage job at Disney running a ride "just because that was something he always wanted to do". My sister raised an eyebrow but sensibly remained quiet.

He's still at Disney, but not running rides, no sireebob. He is in management and it doing very, very well for himself and having a ball as well.

So it is not the end of the world for her and she is not condemned to a lifetime of poverty.
At that rate, you might as well cite a story about your friend that won the lottery, and didn't have to worry about their job making minimum wage at 7-11 anymore.

I'm willing to bet a vast majority of the people that start out as a full-time job working at Disney at minimum wage probably never move very far up the income ladder. And obviously there are more things to life than money - but it can be a very critical choice for a first job, as it can have far more far-reaching implications on future jobs as well, as I noted in my previous post.

It makes me wonder why she never considered this as a summer job, unless she had a job elsewhere, and/or was in summer school? What types of jobs did she have during the summer? (or even in the winter between semesters?)

You do have to be careful how you approach this topic to not drive her away but rather make sure she is aware of the financial realities...but at the same time, will the OP be feeling nervous/frustrated/regretful when the inevitable fiscal issue comes up that far overwhelms her $15k annual salary, be it a medical issue, or some other fiscal calamity? $2,000 for 3 car repairs over 8 months. $3,500 deductible for a medical issue. $350 to fix a speeding ticket. $1,200 for 3 plane tickets/year to fly home to visit the parents, since she obviously can't afford $400 tickets all the time.

The OP will obviously be the one bailing her out and likely making another financial sacrifice - so you have to also accept this reality, since it's highly doubtful you will let her suffer in misery when you have the financial means to help her out. And how do you tell her "I will only help you out for so long, or for $x, then you're on your own" - when it will likely be a long time before she's financially independent enough to not need the bank of dad?
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When I graduated from college I had a number of offers. Mom asked me what my work life goals were and I evaluated those opportunities in light of those goals.

As others have mentioned, there are all kinds of jobs at Disney and so many young people want to work for them they can hire talent at the minimum wage. I would ask my daughter to consider this job opportunity in light of her career goals and to prepare a budget.
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One question , Would this be her very first paid job ?

Now as to The Walt Disney co.

Have quite a few acquaintances who do, or have worked for them , at the theme parks and a few others who were at an NHL franchise, back when W.D. owned them.

A couple of high level ( an atty. in sports, and a manager in security ) and the rest hourly. Disney treats hourly employees about as well as the pay, disposable. Good for a part time thing as a teenager only.

The two salary folks I knew eventually left , neither could take the "Must Call the Mother Ship" before any decisions, way the company works.

They do have good perks, some surprisingly low level employees on salary got co. cars
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Oscar1 - I think you are catastrophizing this situation more than you need to. This is her first job out of college. It doesn't doom her to low paying jobs for the entirety of her career.

I would focus on seeing if you could go over budget with her and help her to figure out a way to make it work if she goes down that path (a key factor is probably going to be a roommate). She may well try this and find out she doesn't like living on $15k a year. And, she may leave the job or work hard to progress to a higher paid job. Or perhaps she will love it and be happy with it.

The main thing is that she has to live this and support herself without you making up the difference.

My oldest son quit college after his first semester. I had no problem with him choosing not to get a bachelor's degree but thought he would be better off going to CC and going through a career oriented program. But, he didn't want to.

He did have a few rough years, making very little. I know there was a time when he lived in his car a few weeks and he stayed with a friend for months one time. We mostly let him handle it (we did help him with a vehicle when his died). And, yet, 4 years later it seems to have worked out and he has a good job now. He did it his way and he is happy with it.


Not sure what kind of companies hire her degree.... but it could hinder her later in life... IOW, a year later if she decides to try and get a job.... she will be competing with the kids coming out of college now.... who would you want to hire Someone who chose to go to Disney and make $15K or someone who just graduated with good grades and is raring to get to work for you.... I know which one I would hire...

Also, she is now at least one year behind her peers.... it might not matter, but it also might... now it seems you can derail a career before it gets off the ground... I have a niece who is a lawyer and has a hard time finding a permanent job because of some of the decisions she made just out of college.... and that was 10 years ago....
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Man! I need y'all's advice. Daughter graduates from Texas A&M in International Studies and is seriously considering hourly position at Disney over salaried positions elsewhere where better pay, benefits, 401k, etc could be had. We are talking about $15k per year vs. $45k per year for entry level position. That's a $350,000 delta over 30 years. I can't get her to realize the impact this decision will make on her life, her family, early retirement, etc.? I am freaking out! Any advice anyone can offer??!
Step 1 - Remind her that the gravy train stops when she takes any job.
Step 2 - Ask her to build a spreadsheet which lists her expenses after she gets off the train.
Step 3 - After she comes to her senses, stop making her decisions. Help her understand that the next choice is hers alone.
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Not sure what kind of companies hire her degree.... but it could hinder her later in life... IOW, a year later if she decides to try and get a job.... she will be competing with the kids coming out of college now.... who would you want to hire Someone who chose to go to Disney and make $15K or someone who just graduated with good grades and is raring to get to work for you.... I know which one I would hire...
I agree with Texas Proud that one's decision about where to work after graduation may impact some future Hiring Manager's assessment of your daughter. However, that may not be so bad. I would rather work for someone (some company) who was impressed by my Peace Corps experience rather than someone who thought it was a waste of time.
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... who would you want to hire Someone who chose to go to Disney and make $15K or someone who just graduated with good grades and is raring to get to work for you.... I know which one I would hire...
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Guys, disney is globally successful brand with great verticals and horizontals. They have no equal. How would they be bad for your resume?

I worked my first gig for a fortune 500 you have never heard of. I'd prefer to have disney in there.


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OP's daughter won't be able to rewind to the higher paying job right out of college if she takes the Disney job first. I wonder if the Disney name really has enough cachet on a resume to open doors in the future for her.
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We used to call this "sowing wild oats". Not to worrry.

"It's a phase you generally get out of your way when you're young or perhaps after a breakup, but it's not a long-term lifestyle (or if it is, it stops going by that name at some point"
The only challenge I see is if the person gets caught up in a particular lifestyle of similarly employed individuals. You meet a girl/boyfriend there, end up living a low income life, fall into the 'who needs all that money mindset' and it slowly becomes your normal.

Then again, I know of a fellow who had to drop out of college and take an entry level manufacturing job with a $84 a week take-home pay. Thirty years later he ended up running that company, made $500K a year, was FI at 40 and retired at 50.

So, maybe it's a matter of "the cream rising to the top" coupled to a certain level of hunger.
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Peace Corps, Bartend in Ireland, Europe on $ per day, etc. - why work?

Last night gave away bellows, electric furnace and some other Blacksmith(from new wife's deceased husband) specialty vises and forming tools to a young couple nearing graduation. They will set up shop a relative's garage/barn and live/camp in while selling their art.

Successful? Time will tell.

heh heh heh - why work is the first question. With Google in the neighborhood we have all kinds of 'youngsters' doing minimum wage jobs while they pursue/find their real passion.
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Not sure what kind of companies hire her degree.... but it could hinder her later in life... IOW, a year later if she decides to try and get a job.... she will be competing with the kids coming out of college now.... who would you want to hire Someone who chose to go to Disney and make $15K or someone who just graduated with good grades and is raring to get to work for you.... I know which one I would hire...
I know which one I would hire too. I'd hire the one with actual work experience instead of the one with just a piece of paper.
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I know which one I would hire too. I'd hire the one with actual work experience instead of the one with just a piece of paper.
But what 'work experience' is a job at Disney paying $15k/year? The same "experience" as working at McDonald's. Would your suggestion be any different if the OP said she was looking at getting a job at the local Dairy Queen/McDonald's flipping burgers and making $15k/year?

Does it give you some experience? Certainly....but as I and others have mentioned, who gives you the impression as being more of a go-getter: someone who graduates and settles for a minimum wage job at Disney doing the very basic of things (taking orders at a kiosk) for 1-2 years, or someone straight out of college with decent grades? The fact that the minimum wage worker apparently didn't have any summer jobs during school would be enough of a worry about lack of ambition (the OP didn't clarify - since he didn't say "she did have some previous minimum wage jobs, so she knows what the job would be like", we can only assume that she has ZERO work experience).

You know the first person probably wasn't that motivated to get a more challenging job. If someone isn't that worried about earning more than minimum wage for themselves, how much LESS are they going to be worried about making money for you, the employer? Or just doing the minimum to get by? (Obviously, if it's 2010, there could be valid reasons for not getting a more challenging job right out of college when you graduated in 2008/2009, but this is a different scenario).

Working for the Peace Corps is an entirely different decision/factors than making minimum wage at Disney - one is almost always a volunteer position to 'give back' and be selfless, and a decision you go out of your way to make. The latter is more likely to be just a 'clueless' person who doesn't have ambition and doesn't really care about their (or their employer's) success, or a decision out of desperation. Again, there are always exceptions with people who are truly driven, but we are talking about the 75%-90% of the crowd here, not the 2% rare exceptions.
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Jeesh, she better just get her hair done and find a successful man, her career is over and she destined to be a pauper if she tries to make it on her own without someone telling her what to do. There's really no hope at this point, before she's had her first job.


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It is probably better from a resume standpoint to have a higher paying job out of college, but I don't think it is the end of the world if that doesn't happen. Of the three smartest programmers who used to be in our department at my last job, one had an MBA from Berkeley and big accounting experience, one didn't have a degree and one had a some sociology or zoology kind of major and eventually went to a tech school to learn programming. The non-MBAs just went into contracting and set high hourly rates. They were worth every penny, and the contract work pretty much reset their pay scale from whatever jobs they had initially.

There are at least some fields where what you know and can do today count for a lot more than what is on your resume from 5 years ago. I don't think a low paying first job from Disney is necessarily going to scar her for the rest of her working career.
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Jobs.....

All the firms I worked for are gone...and I mean no longer in business. Heck, I had the opportunity to go to work for Xerox out of college and I declined and went with another big firm. Opportunity missed! That would have been great on my resume.
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But what 'work experience' is a job at Disney paying $15k/year? The same "experience" as working at McDonald's. Would your suggestion be any different if the OP said she was looking at getting a job at the local Dairy Queen/McDonald's flipping burgers and making $15k/year?

Does it give you some experience? Certainly....but as I and others have mentioned, who gives you the impression as being more of a go-getter: someone who graduates and settles for a minimum wage job at Disney doing the very basic of things (taking orders at a kiosk) for 1-2 years, or someone straight out of college with decent grades? The fact that the minimum wage worker apparently didn't have any summer jobs during school would be enough of a worry about lack of ambition (the OP didn't clarify - since he didn't say "she did have some previous minimum wage jobs, so she knows what the job would be like", we can only assume that she has ZERO work experience).

You know the first person probably wasn't that motivated to get a more challenging job. If someone isn't that worried about earning more than minimum wage for themselves, how much LESS are they going to be worried about making money for you, the employer? Or just doing the minimum to get by? (Obviously, if it's 2010, there could be valid reasons for not getting a more challenging job right out of college when you graduated in 2008/2009, but this is a different scenario).

Working for the Peace Corps is an entirely different decision/factors than making minimum wage at Disney - one is almost always a volunteer position to 'give back' and be selfless, and a decision you go out of your way to make. The latter is more likely to be just a 'clueless' person who doesn't have ambition and doesn't really care about their (or their employer's) success, or a decision out of desperation. Again, there are always exceptions with people who are truly driven, but we are talking about the 75%-90% of the crowd here, not the 2% rare exceptions.

MooreBonds said it very well...
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