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Old 10-10-2007, 03:43 PM   #21
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I can remember having a boss once that I complained to about some excessive hours etc. The boss gave me the standard line of "Well do you like you job?" Which is of course a thinly veiled threat meaning, "Do you want me to fire you?" Rather than back away... I started laughing.... then I smiled... and told him, "Men of ability like myself never fear loosing our jobs, there are so many others to choose from." And then the boss was silent... went pale, and had a look of absolute horror on his face! It made my whole day...
Tempting, but I am too old ad have too many commitments for direct confrontation. I'll let them figure it out when they get the call from my new employer asking to confirm that I really did work there.
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Old 10-10-2007, 03:45 PM   #22
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Good luck Brewer. What happened to you this morning fits under "Adding insult to injury".

Hard to put up with, and still feel OK about that job.

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I have to agree. Don't take what I'm about to say in the wrong way. My take is the you care too much about work. Do people tell you you are too intense or too serious at work? I'm only saying this because that is what I was told when working. I was all because I cared too much about work and the company. I put the company first.

It wasn't until the end of my working life that I gained the proper insight. My career goals and growth should have been my focus and come before the company. Once I gained this insight I was more relaxed, worked better with others, was preceived better by others, advanced quicker and made more money. Of course, I never told anyone about my internal outlook change.

Not a team player - find time to walk around and be Mr. Happy backslapper. Watch what is important to your boss - get that done, let him know and don't focus on things that don't concern him. Then move up the ladder.

As I said this was at the end of my working life. If I would have know this at the beginning I think I would have been much further up the ladder.

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I feel your pain. last place I worked decided if you take any time off during the day (whether an hour for a dentist appointment or leaving 15 min. early to pick up a friend at the airport) you were charged 8 hours of vacation time. That was my final straw...
As far as your situation.....it's their loss as far as I'm concerned.
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Dex, I really am a mercenary type. I came here specifically to make money and gain very valuable experience, both of which I have done. But I also know that a small shop hasno room for dead weight, so I tried to conscientiously pull mine. I also thought I was valued and appreciated (won't make that mistake again).

But to a certain extent, I think you are right: I have made the mistake of putting the job first. Time to reprioritize. Unfortunately, there is no way that would be accepted at this shop and it is unlikely I could hide it for long. So time for a salvo of resumes.
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Dex, I really am a mercenary type. I came here specifically to make money and gain very valuable experience, both of which I have done. But I also know that a small shop hasno room for dead weight, so I tried to conscientiously pull mine. I also thought I was valued and appreciated (won't make that mistake again).

But to a certain extent, I think you are right: I have made the mistake of putting the job first. Time to reprioritize. Unfortunately, there is no way that would be accepted at this shop and it is unlikely I could hide it for long. So time for a salvo of resumes.
Sorry to hear that......what a bunch of candy-a$$es............
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Brew -- If honesty. hard work, and diligence doesn't garner some level of normal consideration... **** them.

It sounds a bit more like the party line one would hear from corporate HR.
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I taught elementary school for 33 years in Ontario and the # of sick days I took you could count on one hand.

Back in the early seventies we had several on staff that took excessive sick time and we all knew they were dogging it. One missed 38 days and nothing was ever said to her.

I remember going to my Principal and asking for an hour early leave so I could be with Mrs. Zipper and my son at a medical appointment.

The **hole gave me a hard time about it.

My opinion was he a pr*ck to begin with or did the job make him that way?
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I remember going to my Principal and asking for an hour early leave so I could be with Mrs. Zipper and my son at a medical appointment.

The **hole gave me a hard time about it.
Maybe it's human nature. I remember times like that; people are much more empathetic if I take the whole day off than say, if I leave really really sick.
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Sorry to hear about that. It does make me appreciate my boss more.
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Geez, sounds like they don't know how to treat you as a "professional" !

or, you're a problem employee who they're trying to clamp down on ...

as long as the work gets done, we are pretty flexible.

i think skillful management is sorely underdeveloped and appreciated in this world...
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Hey, you once said something about relocating to the Denver area. Might be a good time to relocate to the area of your dreams.

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Brewer...mmm. Must be the month or the phase of the moon or air or something. I contacted my retirement specialist and scheduled a meeting for Friday afternoon and then put in for 4 hours off. But discontent is widespread among the employees. I think that upper management's lack of support really bothers those of us most, who never call in sick, always show up etc. Dex might be right, as it seems that the supervisors who are hired, originate from the slacker crowd.
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Brewer, what percentage of that company's revenue did you bring them last year?

Screw 'em if they can't handle a telecommute... they must've been awfully lonely that day.

Imagine if you had a Bloomberg in your home office!
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I feel your pain. last place I worked decided if you take any time off during the day (whether an hour for a dentist appointment or leaving 15 min. early to pick up a friend at the airport) you were charged 8 hours of vacation time. That was my final straw...
As far as your situation.....it's their loss as far as I'm concerned.
Pullin' for ya Brewer.
I am surprised someone did not sue them... many companies have found out that docking someone who is salary and not paying OT is bad business.. in the cash payout they have to make to all the people they screwed...
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I haven't seen much of it so far in my working life.
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Ok, here's the view from your bosses side. What I realized when I became a boss is that bosses are just as human as you are. If you were the boss, and you had a fight with the wife before coming to work, or a tough time in traffic, or no sleep then you might snap at something that you normally wouldn't and for that day, lots of people would think that you were a jerk. Even though they should bite back a little they probably wouldn't because, hey, your the boss. I'm sure there is the odd employee that thinks that I am a jerk from time to time. I'm also fairly sure that those that dislike me on a more regular basis are the ones that I perceive (rightly or wrongly) to be slackers who in the corporate setting look out for themselves and really don't have much loyalty to the company goals. In this case somebody has to go, and it ain't always fair, but it's never the boss.

If your boss doesn't apologize to you for his/her comments, and ideally with an explanation, I think that you should quit. If you have no marketable skill in which you could expect to earn enough to live then you get some training and then get out at your first opportunity. Your boss is either a jerk, and everyone will loathe him on a daily basis, or in his opinion (again, right or wrong) you aren't terribly valuable around there. It might not be your work or attendance that is the issue. He may conciously or subconciously not like your new tattoo, or your haircut, or how you speak, smell, or whatever, and you're not likely to change his mind no matter how hard you work.
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Brewer, you are right to be pissed off. Based on the information you provided they had no right to chastise you for something that was outside your control. Given that you are in financial services I can't understand their obsession with face time. I agree it's a good idea to start looking. However, do NOT walk out in anger. Start your research, and when you have calmed down, ask your boss how he came to the conclusion that he did. Perhaps he is uninformed, flies off the handle easily, or has had some lingering resentment about you for some time (maybe jealousy of your skills?). Point out that you want to w*rk for an organization that values its employees. This guy may simply not "get" this. Either way, you get more information to reinforce or change your mind about leaving, and your boss (if he is capable of listening) gets a valuable lesson. He might even apologize and treat you better if he knows you are not prepared to take any crap.
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Not planning on storming out (I have professional ethics, after all), but also not interested in a dialogue with the powers that be. They clearly have an obsesssion with face time and I am equally clearly no longer willing to be meat fed into the mincer for the good of "the firm."

I am pissed off, but I also have taken the opportunity to re-examine what I am doing and why. I came to this place because I knew it would be a fantastic learning opportunity and likely good money. I chose to deal with an ugly commute, long hours and inflexible (but often unspoken) rules because the benefits outweighed the costs. But this job is hard on me, hard on my family, hard on my marriage and hard on my health. It is now no longer worth it as I have learned a ton and become wealthier. Last night I was looking at job listings and it struck me how many good jobs I am perhaps overqualified for that I couldn't hope to be considered for before I came to the present gig. So its time to cash in on my investment and find something easier and with less brutal hours/comute.
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Brew:

Sometimes it takes a push to get us moving in the direction we need to go. Your last post sounds like you've had that push.

It can be difficult to land a job for which you are overqualified - employers figure you will be bored and wont stay, will not be satisfied with the $$ offered for this lower position, etc. Keep us posted.
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...It can be difficult to land a job for which you are overqualified - employers figure you will be bored and wont stay, will not be satisfied with the $$ offered for this lower position, etc. Keep us posted.
On a resume, its clearly unethical to put things that you've never done.

However, it is OK to leave extra things out. When I respond to a help wanted ad, my resume only has those experiences that demonstrate that I'm capable of doing the job. I may be capable of other things too, but that's not what they're looking for.
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