how many layoffs you got?

....Unfortunately, for a while I had the job of telling people that they had no future with the firm and needed to move on.....

Sort of reminds me of my first performance review about a year and a half out of college. I was working hard and partying harder. I met with the managing partner who began the discussion by telling me that they thought I was a really smart young guy - he paused briefly and I was thinking this was going to be a really good review - and then he went on to say - but.... we don't think you're applying yourself worth a lick. :(

He went on to say very nicely that in 6 months they would either promote me or kick by butt out the door. I was promoted 5 months later - it was a good wake up call.
 
Can't say I was ever fired or laid off. I was threatened with getting fired from my first job as a teenager at the local library but I survived that and went on to work there for another 15 months, doing good work.

During some of my college years, I was an usher at a Broadway theater. When I would go back home for the summer, I sometimes wondered if they would still need me when I returned in September. After the first summer they still needed me but after the second summer whenever I called on Sunday to see which nights they needed me for the upcoming week they rarely if ever needed me (they had enough people from the summer who kept working there) so after a few weeks I stopped trying. I eventually got a job on campus.
 
I've quit every job I've ever had. Never been fired or laid off. Happy for every time I walked away, but I'm only on my 7th job in almost 30 years of working. Never worked anywhere that had more than 30 employees either.
 
Never laid off in 34 years with Megacorp. I took nothing for granted; during several downsizing efforts when younger I explored outside options and found, due to my skills and contacts, I was readily employable. At this stage in my life a layoff wouldn't bother me assuming the severance package stays the same.

With the current economy and outsourcing efforts I think the odds of me getting laid off are greater than me choosing to leave... but fortunately since I hit my FI goal it would not be an issue. I do feel for several friends in my age group who are absolutely panicked about layoffs as they haven't achieved FI (and likely never will).
 
'will the last person leaving Seattle please turn out the lights'
That was a real billboard. I wuz dere. [Hi, Unc! We have to share a root beer one day.]

w/ re the OP's question, when I was staff, I was laid off and fired several times (is there a difference?). Quit once for ethical reasons.

I have been a contractor for many years now. Every time, I have acquired experience I can sell.

I am a lousy employee/subordinate. No politics, thank you. I don't work for amateurs or idiots, but they are everywhere now.
 
I quit the first job. Had a temporary contract job after that, and collected UI when that ended.

For 20-25 years of self-employment there were times of under-employment, but no official layoff or collecting.

2013 is the year of furlough. 10 weeks of that, and at this stage of career it felt like a trial retirement event. I expect similar in 2014, perhaps sooner.
 
Never laid off, but did get fired once from selling cars. That was after retirement and I thought I'd try something out of my comfort zone. As I wrote on the application for a requiring a security clearance were they wanted to know why, if I'd ever left a job by mutual agreement. "While I have many talents, sales is not one of them."

Evidently that was a good answer.
 
I was laid off (or fired) once when my Father was in the hospital and his doctor had called me home. After about 2 weeks the company I worked for said to either come back or I was done working for them. I said I couldn't come back at that time so they let me go. Dad died about 3 days later.
 
Good for you Nodak. Mothers and Fathers are much more important than jobs. Oldtrig
 
I was laid off (or fired) once when my Father was in the hospital and his doctor had called me home. After about 2 weeks the company I worked for said to either come back or I was done working for them. I said I couldn't come back at that time so they let me go. Dad died about 3 days later.
I will say that despite my disappointments with my current Megacorp, my actual boss is a human and gave me huge leeway with my eldercare situation. Huge leeway. I should have been at the top of the layoff list, but wasn't.

There's hope after all.

I'm sorry to hear about your case, Nodak. That's just wrong. And all too common these days.

I had a friend who worked at a CHURCH of all things that got laid off after spending too much time away after her dad passed away.
 
Never been laid off. I've ducked many layoffs from my Megacorps and my Microcorp.

Just ducked another at Megacorp recently. Like ziggy said in another thread, if it would have happened, I think I would have been relieved instead of mad. There were a lot of very bitter people walking around at Megacorp.

My usual case has been to get a new job after seeing a few layoffs. However, now in late career, I'm either going to finish and ER on my own at Megacorp, or wait for the tap on the shoulder and let Megacorp make the decision for me.
 
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I was laid off (or fired) once when my Father was in the hospital and his doctor had called me home. After about 2 weeks the company I worked for said to either come back or I was done working for them. I said I couldn't come back at that time so they let me go. Dad died about 3 days later.


I respect your decision. Not sure when that was, but today that time off would be FMLA and your job protected.

MRG
 
I don't work for amateurs or idiots, but they are everywhere now.

That's an issue that's currently making me look for 'other opportunities' before I get the boot. My current situation is a textbook example of being able to read the writing on the wall:

Our St. Louis satellite engineering office was going to downsize to a smaller office and move on November 1 (original space was leased 10 years ago when we had 20 people vs 7 now). Headquarters kept humming and hawing at the lease. We were told "the lawyers are reviewing it, it's going back and forth, they're negotiating, etc.".

Then, this past Monday, 1 month before we move, we were suddenly told that they were not going to sign the lease at the new place, because the St. Louis office is going to become a project management office, rather than a production office. They're supposedly scrambling for a new space (I'm sure they've known before they told us). All future significant design work will be sent to another office (this other office head has always had it in for the St. Louis office ever since it was founded 10 years ago). They are also looking to downsize the new office even further.

The St. Louis office head claims "it'll be business as usual, with the same people, as we're currently doing design work for small projects, but major projects will be designed elsewhere."

The thing is, there isn't anywhere near enough work to justify the 7 people we have on staff for the occasional small project. And you only need 1 or 2 of them for project management.

Oh, and the client that I was the project manager for is suspiciously being somewhat taken over by the St. Louis office head and his favorite employee (who is maybe worth his weight in used paper). Of course, I'm not told this - I just suddenly become CCed on e-mails that the office head sends to the client, or he lists himself as the PM on a new project without even saying a single thing to me.

The best part (related to Ed's comment) - apparently plumbing and medical gas engineering isn't anything special, and anyone can do it. So the office head and his favorite try to play plumbing engineer (my position) on some questions that come up on another project that someone else designed, and discuss their crazyass ideas that don't work and aren't applicable right in front of me in the conference room, as though I'm not even there. They don't bother looking at me and asking me directly "MooreBonds, would it work if we tried X or Y?" They simply throw out a crazy solution, talk to each other, and run with it. "Go call that vendor you know and see what you can come up with."

And the headquarters is grooming a new hire to learn plumbing engineering - a recent college grad who worked at Target for 2 years after graduation and has been at the engineering company for 1 year. In other words, no prior experience. You'd think it would be logical to at least have an experienced plumbing engineer (who also has a lot of valuable experience on the construction side) to at least mentor her and pass on at least SOME knowledge. Nope - they'll simply let her make mistakes she has no possible knowledge of and learn the extremely hard way, and make the company look like assclowns with the variety of mistakes they're bound to make.

Oh well. Have already sent out my resume to one firm that has several former co-workers working there. Will follow up next week to see if there's any interest.

Other than the above 'virtually guaranteed looming layoff', I wasn't fired or laid off from my only prior full-time position (family construction company).
 
The best part (related to Ed's comment) - apparently plumbing and medical gas engineering isn't anything special, and anyone can do it. So the office head and his favorite try to play plumbing engineer ....
This drives me crazy.

Back at my previous Megacorp, when layoffs came, we always joked about management treating us like "FRUs". (Field Replaceable Units)

Plumbing engineering is very specialized (I presume a sub category of MechE?) No way will that work. For those of us in software, they just grab FRUs from overseas. Problem is the FRUs never quite fit the same. It is still a problem.
 
Never been laid off. Went into the military at age 19 in 1977. Left active duty & began my federal career in 1981. I did work at an Air Force base in Austin,Texas for 15 yrs that was closed in '96, but I transferred to another base in Louisiana where I worked another 12 years before switching to a different federal agency.

Been with that one for over 5 years now, and am very near retirement. No layoffs, but I am currently a furloughed fed. I was also furloughed for 6 days a couple months ago. I guess in reality a fed furlough is the same as a layoff.

I didn't get any pay for the last one, and although I'm hearing rumors of retroactive pay this time, I'll believe it when I see it.
 
I respect your decision. Not sure when that was, but today that time off would be FMLA and your job protected.

MRG
That was in December of 1975. What I really found annoying was that about two weeks after the funeral they called and asked if I wanted my job back; I was so angry with them I told them where they could put their job. IN the end it worked out well for me; I wound up working for the Dept of Defense at an Air Force Station close to my home town and that gave me a very nice retirement pension.
 
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I've had a few cases of involuntary severance:

First was from a job at a hardware store I had when I was in college. I did something incredibly stupid and shameful. Some fellow employees and I hated the owner (who was an a-hole, but that's no excuse for what we did), so we stole some things from the store, got caught, and were all fired. Thankfully, the owner didn't involve the police. This was a huge wake-up call, and a life lesson. Years later, I was back home visiting my Mom, and saw on TV where one of my coworkers (who also took part in all this, and was fired) received a life sentence in prison for murdering two people. I remember thinking, "There but for the grace of God, go I." Did stealing things from a hardware store start the journey down some dark path? Who knows, but I feel blessed to have gotten the message early, and never did anything like that ever again.

Second was from the first Silicon Valley startup I was at, which went under.

Third was from the second Silicon Valley startup I was at, which also went under.

All other job changes were the result of me firing my employer.
 
Only once, from an office job in 1978 when they closed my department. DH was working and we were living cheap so we weren't desperate or even close to it. I got unemployment insurance for maybe 2 weeks before I found something else.

Still at the same job I started at 17.... I'm 41 now. ER'ing next year.

Nice! Congratulations! What kind of job is it?
 
Only once, from an office job in 1978 when they closed my department. DH was working and we were living cheap so we weren't desperate or even close to it. I got unemployment insurance for maybe 2 weeks before I found something else.



Nice! Congratulations! What kind of job is it?

Civil construction. Sooooo ready to do something else... and good bye to the 5 am alarm clock forever (unless I want to get up early for a nice sunrise, coffee in hand).
 
1st job I was fired (age 16), was laid off from 2nd job out of college. The company went broke 6-12 months later.
 
Thankfully, I've only experienced this personally in a couple of stupid teenage jobs I got myself fired from. My favorite was when I working in a mid-west grocery store one absolutely dead day when just myself and another cashier were up front. I printed out about 50' of receipt tape and when the manager came up behind me we were singing along with the store song playing over the speakers and waving the tape around over a couple checkout lanes. Technically, he said "go home Chris" and I just never came back to confirm that I was fired, but it's a safe bet.

As I recently posted on another thread, but it's much better posted here, I've seen 9 layoff rounds in 7 years with megacorp. I didn't get cut in any of them, partly due to a big mistake I had made in 2008 and had to fix over most of 2009-2010. I honestly can't see why they kept paying me otherwise as my job is R&D and thus not immediately valuable. Talk about a blessing in disguise. I remember coming in several mornings and seeing adults (of both sexes) crying as they were being escorted out. I decided then to get FI so no corporation would have that much power over me. We're still about 2 years away from that, but the wife and I made sure we can live on the take-home from either of our jobs now as a stopgap. She wasn't working at the time so that was pretty stressful.

I'm still with the same company and the economic climate is much healthier now. I managed to maintain a fairly healthy positive outlook throughout most of it, but did that staggered layoff approach ever poison morale! Years later, at least 30-60 of those departed coworkers salaries have been wasted on "culture" programs and off-site resort meetings for middle-management. It's still pretty pessimistic at the main office (bay area). The wife and I moved to TX for her career so working remotely shelters me from all those bad vibes. I stay because I love my job and the pay and flexibility are too good to quit now.

Lots of people here seem to have escaped getting laid off much, which I'm surprised at. I figured a few times being dropped without notice while hearing some phony CEO blather on about how tough the decision was would have created this desire to FIRE. But, maybe it's just the constant level of stress created by the threat that does it? FI probably correlates with folks that are less likely to be downsized now that I think about it, so I suspect it's the latter one. Wouldn't that be ironic! Either way, I wouldn't be surprised if companies engineer a certain level of job threat perception to make people work harder for less pay.

So, did layoffs push anyone else into this FIRE mindset? Do we not owe our megacorps some thanks for the swift kick to the financial backside?
 
None yet. I have only been working for 10 years. With that being said, I am now working for my third company.
 
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