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Old 09-29-2005, 04:31 PM   #21
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Re: I want out of my cube!

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Nords, I agree with you on the networking angle. It's so important to know people. Unfortunately, I'm a bit of a loner, nerdy type which doesn't help one bit.

Thanks again everyone for your intelligent thoughts.
Cube, I think all the advice here is great so not much I can add except your mention of being a loner.

I've interviewed and worked with more than a few programmers and IT types over the years. Having a "loner" personality is a very common trait for your profession. My programmers and IT person are very good but also very oppinionated set in their ways and somewhat anti-social. My biggest ulcers came from getting them to play nice and actually communicate with everyone else. Being a loner also means that networking and just talking to people in your field probably doesn't come easy. Anyway my point is that an outgoing personality (even in the face of nasty interviewers) will set you apart from the competing "loners" once you get your foot in the door. Think of it this way, I like to network cause its fun to learn how other businesses work and it forces me to come out of my cave more often. Networking doesn't always have to be a ladder climbing thing. Getting your foot in by networking and doing some real homework on the company has been well described by other posters and it gives you the amunition to be more personable. I'm always impressed when someone studies my little no-name company and asks as many questions as I do. I think personable nerds are the most successful people out there today.

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Re: I want out of my cube!
Old 09-29-2005, 05:53 PM   #22
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Re: I want out of my cube!

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He advocates a very different approach to job searching: identify where you want to work, then identify a problem that company faces and demonstrate to them how hiring you is a cost-effective way of addressing that problem.
Hmmm, perhaps Cube could hack their network, identify all their security flaws, e-mail them their passwords lists... and then volunteer to be their white-hat security manager.

Naaah, sounds more like a felony than a job interview.


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Re: I want out of my cube!
Old 09-29-2005, 06:37 PM   #23
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Re: I want out of my cube!

Whew! I just spent the last two hours submitting resumes. I did a search on the SF bay area's top 200 companies (my current employer is somewhere in the top 5) and did a selection by location. Although I don't mind commuting, there are certain areas in the bay area that are simply intolerable in terms of traffic.

I want to thank everyone from the bottom of my heart for the helpful advice. Believe me, I'll put it to good use.

PS: Any Motely Fool refugees here? If so, did you ever read ROTjob's Cube forum? Now he has some truly funny tales of employment or lack thereof (last I read).
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Old 10-01-2005, 07:15 PM   #24
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Re: I want out of my cube!

Cube, I have found that taking a few business classes and going to the monthly meetings of my local business council have done wonders for my social skills. I also knew that I had it in me, but it was kind of hard to practice being social in a sea of keep-to-themselves engineers, but after surrounding myself with more outgoing people, I find that networking to be not much of a problem.

What Wabmaster advocates works as well if you're planning to remain completely technical. I know that I'm not all that interested in the pure technical aspects as some of my co-workers, so I will need to develope in a different direction.
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Old 10-04-2005, 10:34 PM   #25
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I totally agree with the networking advice. I've been in this situation recently, and both of the offers I got came as a direct result of networking. I had absolutely no luck with replying to job postings on job boards, job fairs, etc.

I picked up a book at the library recently called "A Foot in the Door: Networking your way to the hidden job market" ( I thought some of the tips in the book were really good. It's not enough to just make contacts. It is really important to followup and build relationships with those contacts.

One particularly interesting assertion made by the book is that people who do favors for you (not people who you do favors for) are the ones most likely to want to help you succeed. For example, if someone gives you a referral or makes a call on your behalf, they now have a vested interest in your success. Keeping them updated brings them into the loop, and potentially gives them some satisfaction in helping you. I have no idea if this is true, but it sounds reasonable.
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Old 10-04-2005, 10:41 PM   #26
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Re: I want out of my cube!

Cube_rat, professional development classes are often goldmines, particularly for women.* What I discovered is that people were watching me when I was focused on the class.* After I retired, I was recuited into a great job because someone remembered me from the program.

Opportunities often develop when you are busy doing other things, but no one can find you if you don't leave the cube.

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