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Old 12-08-2008, 11:41 AM   #41
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I am from the era when women were teachers , nurses or secretaries and since I could not type secretary was out and teaching did not appeal to me so I spent forty years in nursing . Their were days when I hated my job but they were far outnumbered by the days I enjoyed my job . It was physically hard ,mentally challenging but the gratitude I received from patients made it all worth while .
Not to mention it's just about THE most recession-proof career out there...
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Old 12-08-2008, 12:09 PM   #42
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Not to mention it's just about THE most recession-proof career out there...
True enough. But what doesn't show up is that in conditions of shortage and tight budgets, there is a tendency to work your established RNs to the bone, with high patient-to RN ratios, longer hours, and ever-increasing paperwork, variable supervisors, etc.

The RNs I work with talk about that a lot. You can get a job almost anywhere, but the job itself is stressful. Like physicians, the almost universally love the clinical work and patient interactions, but are very concerned about the other aspects.
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Old 12-08-2008, 12:21 PM   #43
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True enough. But what doesn't show up is that in conditions of shortage and tight budgets, there is a tendency to work your established RNs to the bone, with high patient-to RN ratios, longer hours, and ever-increasing paperwork, variable supervisors, etc.

The RNs I work with talk about that a lot. You can get a job almost anywhere, but the job itself is stressful. Like physicians, the almost universally love the clinical work and patient interactions, but are very concerned about the other aspects.
Oh, I know that. Part of it is that the hours are just destined to suck for many of them. People don't only need treatment and care from 8 AM to 5 PM Monday through Friday. Add to that the tough shifts largely caused by chronic shortages, and yes... it's a VERY tough job. But for those who can handle the stress, a very secure one.
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Old 12-08-2008, 12:51 PM   #44
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I could blather on about how I got to here but I decided to just summaarize the key choice that I made along the way that formed the shape of my career and life.
Choices:
1. What to take at University and where
2. Whether to do graduate work
3. PhD or not and UCB or not
4. Which employment offer to take
5. Which wife to take if any
6. First career move choice
7. Second career move
8. Evaluating attractive alternative employment offer(s)
9. Third career move
10. Fourth career move
11. Take the package
12. Consulting or seek employment
13. Stay married or not
14. Move to the Pacific Coast or not
15. Permanent CEO or not
16. Startup or continue consulting
17. Private financing or public
18. Another startup or ER
19. Stay put or move to Mexico
20. Purchase or rent in Mexico

The reason that I just provided these key milestones is because we are all faced with choices along the way that end up forming our life. For me, I voted for change because I liked that better.
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...But for those who can handle the stress, a very secure one.
In my experience, high levels of job stress are rewarded with high levels of compensation. That is why sales always gets more money than tech.
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I know a few whose wifes were nurses. They got burnt out and ER'ed around 40 years of age.
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This thread reminds me of this Robert Frost Poem. Lots of paths, but you really only travel one.

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood
and sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveller, long I stood
and looked down one as far as I could
to where it bent in the undergrowth;

Then took the other, as just as fair,
and having perhaps the better claim
because it was grassy and wanted wear;
though as for that, the passing there
had worn them really about the same,
And both that morning equally lay
in leaves no feet had trodden black.

Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:

Two roads diverged in a wood, and I --
I took the one less travelled by,
and that has made all the difference
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The quote I most remember from What Color Is Your Parachute?:

"Why do you want to become a mortician?"

"Well, I like working with people."

Also fairly recession-proof.
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The quote I most remember from What Color Is Your Parachute?:

"Why do you want to become a mortician?"

"Well, I like working with people."

Also fairly recession-proof.
Nah. When times are tough, they'll just choose to get cremated and put the ashes in a conch instead.
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I've made the career choices I have because the other careers I wanted didn't offer a very stable home life. I would have loved doing national disaster response / planning (FEMA, or the Red Cross), or public health lobbying/policy. Those jobs, however, tend to require extensive travel and that's not something I'm interested in doing as a parent/spouse. So my career Mulligan would pretty much put me back where I am, as it turns out.
If it's any consolation, one of spouse's Reserve billets was working as a military planner alongside the Army, state Civil Defense, and FEMA. She enjoyed the planning/operations parts but politics tended to trump all. After her second hurricane season she figured that she was pushing her luck so she retired.

The "nice" thing about volunteering for the Red Cross is that they call you at least a few hours before the sirens go off, giving you a heads-up to get your hurricane checklist going. Of course the downside is that you end up setting up a shelter while your family is buttoning up the house, but hopefully you have VIP seating...

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The beauty of having done so many things is that you don't have to wonder "what if" so much...
That's the main reason I signed up for USNA, although nearly every day for the next 1400+ I swore that I was going to quit the next morning. And then after that you get sucked in by the challenges and the fun...

You also never know what you can do until you're tired enough to try anything, and Navy certainly afforded plenty of those learning opportunities.
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if you had another chance to start your w*rking life, what would you choose to do?
Porn Star.

Then maybe a writer.
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Ever since high school and the old CPM system they had (8" floppies!) I knew I wanted to work with computers. I still enjoy it a lot. Unfortunately, my current gov't job took me away from the technical side of it, but I still fool with my PCs and anyone else who has a problem.

So, I wouldn't make any changes. My state school education is serving me well, no student loan debt (tho it was pretty cheap back in 85-88), so I wouldn't change that either.
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I think I just got tossed the career mulligan.....

I used to be a corporate IT professional. During those days, I wondered how it would be to work for myself and do individual consulting. Though I dreamed about doing it... I never left the corporate safety net of a paycheck and good benefits.

In 2005, I was lucky enough to early retire.

While I don't feel I need to work for financial survival, I discovered a unique opportunity that would allow me to do consulting in my local area. Since It's self employment, I can set my own schedule, work as much (or as little) as I want, and choose the jobs that sound interesting to me. Anyway, I decided to try it and I like it. I may decide to continue and do about 10 hours/week.

In my head I'm thinking "what happened to my retirement"? I hope I can balance it out and not want to take on too much. I asked my wife to let me know if I jump too far into to it.

That probably qualifies as a career mulligan.
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.... -- if you had another chance to start your w*rking life, what would you choose to do? If you had that do over -- that "mulligan," as they say in golf parlance -- what would you do?
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Most of my adult life I listened to my gut, took a lot of risks with j*bs, moved cross country without a j*b lined up. The thing I might change came toward the end of my working years. I got a fantasy going about quitting my j*b (of 14 years) and applying for a flunky j*b among creative people, and stay there a couple of years until retirement. At that time I was almost FI, had a particular company in mind which would have given me a short reverse commute.

I didn't do it and then seriously burned out but stayed on the old j*b two more years.

Years ago I had a role model for this idea who always said, "I am coasting into retirement" implying that his previous j*bs were more impressive.
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Commercial pilot. I got my private pilot certificate in my early 20s and had a job that would have allowed me the time and money to add more ratings. It would have been cool to fly corporate jets or airliners. Of course I would have been up against the people who got paid by Uncle Sam to learn how to fly the heavy metal.
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Commercial pilot. I got my private pilot certificate in my early 20s and had a job that would have allowed me the time and money to add more ratings. It would have been cool to fly corporate jets or airliners. Of course I would have been up against the people who got paid by Uncle Sam to learn how to fly the heavy metal.
I thought this was a pretty rigid career path:

1. Join the Air Force.
2. Become a pilot.
3. After 20 years, retire at around 40 with a pension.
4. Get a job as a commercial pilot in industry.
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According to Google Answers:

According to testimony given in 2001 by Nicholas Lacey, the Director of Flight
Standards Service at the FAA:

"(…) In addition, military downsizing will ultimately reduce the importance of
ex-military pilots as a source for civilian airlines. From World War II through
the mid-90s, approximately 80 percent of major airline new hires were military
trained. Today, civilian pilots make up approximately 60 percent of all pilots
hired. Non-military sources for pilots are persons with commercial pilot
certificates, general aviation pilots, and the more than 200 colleges and
universities that offer aviation programs."

Also, a lot of military pilots are joining the airlines after a full military career. The serve 20 years in the military, and then at about the age of 43, or so, they retire and go with the airlines. Use to be till 60, but I am not sure what the age is now. Interesting part is that the airlines are very rigid as far as seniority goes. So the civilian that starts out at say 20 ends up the pilot in command at age 43. Some see this as a problem. The military pilot may have thousands of hours of Pilot in Command duty while the civilian pilot may have more co-pilot time than pilot in command time, thus the possibility exist of not having the most experienced pilot in command of the aircraft.
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I would have done these things instead:

1) I would have stayed with my aunt and uncle in the burbs of NYC for a couple more years so that I could go to the excellent schools in their school district. Too bad my dad insisted on my moving to NYC.

2) I would have gone to the NYC high school that had the crazier entrance exam instead of the one with the slightly easier exam. I passed the exams for both schools.

3) I would have skipped the graduate engineering degree and gone to a top-notch MBA school earlier.

4) I would have gone into some kind of quant or programming job Wall Street. I'd be posting here as 0 Years to Go.
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