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Old 12-09-2008, 08:55 PM   #61
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Old 12-10-2008, 01:08 PM   #62
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Commercial pilot. I got my private pilot certificate in my early 20s and had a job that would have allowed me the time and money to add more ratings. It would have been cool to fly corporate jets or airliners. Of course I would have been up against the people who got paid by Uncle Sam to learn how to fly the heavy metal.
Sometimes it works out that way, sometimes not. Just after I went into the Fraud Section of the police department in 1991, one of the guys I'd trained, now a training officer himself, came in with a new guy. Knowing that I had an interest in aviation, he mentioned that the new guy was an Air Force F-16 pilot.

NG was sharp, because he said "I can see what you're thinking. What the hell am I doing here?"

"I've had six jobs in five years, I've got a wife and two kids, and I need a steady paycheck."

So for that guy the dream didn't quite turn out the way he wanted it to. I don't know how the PD worked out for him.

Maybe talk to a couple of corporate pilots. They also empty the potty, stock the bar, and spend what seems like half their lives in hotel rooms waiting for the customer. Doesn't sound like fun to me.
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Old 12-10-2008, 05:20 PM   #63
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I am long time lurker and rare poster on this forum. One of the reasons, that I quit lurking for quite a while was I that kept reading posts of "How can I possibly retire with only X income" typically the X income was way more than I will have and more than I make right now while still saving heavily toward retirement. So I guess that if there is one thing that I would change it would be to pursue a more lucrative career. Of course, I knew going in that education was not a top payer. I have at times enjoyed my work and at times it was not so enjoyable. At this time my pursuit of early retirement is so that I can have the freedom to choose what I want to do.
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Old 12-10-2008, 05:26 PM   #64
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Maybe talk to a couple of corporate pilots. They also empty the potty, stock the bar, and spend what seems like half their lives in hotel rooms waiting for the customer. Doesn't sound like fun to me.
I did talk to our company's pilot and co-pilot, and yes, they reported that they do get those inglorious duties you mention. Plus a ton of BS paperwork required by the FAA.

The uniforms and flight bags are still pretty cool though
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Knowing that I had an interest in aviation, he mentioned that the new guy was an Air Force F-16 pilot.

NG was sharp, because he said "I can see what you're thinking. What the hell am I doing here?"

"I've had six jobs in five years, I've got a wife and two kids, and I need a steady paycheck."
Yep. I'm not aware of any of my flying buddies who made a successful transition from military aviation to civilian aviation. They either returned to the military or got "real" jobs after a short career as commercial pilots. Of course the fact most of them went with names like Braniff and Pan American didn't do much for career longevity...

I skipped the commercial/corporate pilot phase all together and went directly from the cockpit to a cubicle. I got the same "what the hell are you doing?" questions - and a steady paycheck.
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Yep. I'm not aware of any of my flying buddies who made a successful transition from military aviation to civilian aviation. They either returned to the military or got "real" jobs after a short career as commercial pilots. Of course the fact most of them went with names like Braniff and Pan American didn't do much for career longevity...

I skipped the commercial/corporate pilot phase all together and went directly from the cockpit to a cubicle. I got the same "what the hell are you doing?" questions - and a steady paycheck.
I tried to make an aviation career out of my Cessna 152, but couldn't fill the seat with passenger. I just don't know where I went wrong.
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Old 12-12-2008, 07:49 AM   #68
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I tried to make an aviation career out of my Cessna 152, but couldn't fill the seat with passenger. I just don't know where I went wrong.
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No, no "flight attendants," but now that you mention it that would have filled the seat.

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Able to hold a license in something?

As a person in business for the last 28 years I've re-invented myself numerous times to make gains and seek tolerable situations or even to be proactive an avoid downsizing of the M & A world it has become. What would my mulligan be....holding a license in something so I could move around a bit and not be dependent on simply my talents and skills. What do I mean...well, a license as a pharmacist, a license as a CPA, a license as a teacher, a license as a pilot, a license as a barber, a license as a doctor, a license as a ship's captain...who knows...simply credentials vs. only my degrees and skill set...might be missing something but without those credentials seems to me to always be more limits than if I'd gone a different route.
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Old 12-14-2008, 03:21 PM   #71
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Ziggy,

Seeing your post made me smile.

My college degree was in wildlife biology, but I by the time I got my BS degree, I was sick of school, and did not want to continue for a more advanced degree that would be needed for a better position in the field. My ideal job would have been a mid-level position in a state or national park/refuge system. Actually, I think I may have had some romantic vision of life as a wildlife biologist, probably brought on by too many National Geographic specials about the Craighead brothers.

I stumbled into a job with a small company that trained me as a computer programmer. I really enjoyed working for that company for many years. The people I worked with were great. Sadly, that company is no longer in business, and I now work for mega-corp as a programmer, which I don’t enjoy so much. It is, as you put it, “uninspiring”. But it pays fairly well, and is allowing me to salt away funds for retirement faster that I otherwise might.

One of the things I’d like to do after retirement, for a few years, anyway, is to live and travel in an RV, working as a volunteer at state and national parks. And I’d like to take some courses and improve my photography skills.

What I would do over career-wise knowing what I know now?

I might have gone to work sooner for that company I liked so much, and skipped the expense and time spent on the college degree I never used. I would now be that much closer to FIRE, and being free to go play at what I thought I wanted at the outset.

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An interesting concept...

The more I think about it a career mulligan is an interesting concept.....how do we become FI enought to PT RE and make that mulligan a reality...both to have some fun and to still earn some $$$'s to replace the market meltdown underway? I think frugal living and downsizing might be the only way to make this mulligan happen thanks to the current state of the economy. I'm kind of wishing I was 10 years older or 10 years younger....oh well....save, save, save has been out motto and sitting on a large cash hoard right now seems to have been a move of genius vs. what it looked like only months before. The cash isn't growing fast but at least not going backward like all the funds and stocks in the retirement accounts we've suffered.
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Dropped out of school and went full time where I'd been working part-time. The work was fine (somewhat physical, always outdoors, service oriented), but sometimes the job sucked. Stayed 30 years for the pension and the retiree healthcare. All I ever wanted was financial independence. Retirement is the happiest time of my life.

I've known a few national park rangers and I currently volunteer at the local forest service. There, if you want to own a home and have a family, you will likely need to rise above outdoor work in order to make more money. After a budget crunch, one wildlife biologist switched to law enforcement just to stay in the same community until retirement. Another guy retired from a manager position, stayed home six weeks, then came back as a volunteer. He now does field work without having to attend any meetings. We cut logs off of hiking trails, so the average age of that volunteer work crew is 64.

I can't imagine a career mulligan. I didn't want a career.
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Stayed 30 years for the pension and the retiree healthcare. All I ever wanted was financial independence. Retirement is the happiest time of my life.
In retrospect, when I chose careers and employers, I wish I realized just how critical -- and valuable -- this was going to become in terms of hoping to retire early. Over the course of the next generation or two I think it will increasingly determine who gets to retire *at all*, let alone early.
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I would have skipped the MBA. Seems hard to justify the cost relative to earnings in my case but that changes as you move up the prestige ladder.

I would have gone to undergrad school near a major metro area (preferably out west) and would have focused on building a solid network of contacts.

Career wise - don't know, still trying to find a good fit. I get bored easily and mega corp is the epicenter of boredom.
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