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Old 01-24-2013, 03:22 PM   #21
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At age 40, Carpe Diem for 1 in 20, and a mix of Carpe & Amitte Diem for 19 in 20. How do we know which group we're in...no reply necessary.
Family history ? Lifestyle choices ? Intuition ? Frankly, I think leave early and try and enjoy your years. I honestly don't think I'll live to "old age" and even if I did.. who gives a cr*p. A lot of really old people have a poor quality of life anyway so why plan for it. You want to be the richest person in the old age home ? To heck with that.

"no reply necessary.." See. I can't even follow instructions at a "young" age...
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Damn, I'm 42 and have had some issues. Every time I read something like this it makes we want to speed up my RE.... It'd suck to work this hard for this long and to have saved this much only to kick the bucket and leave it all for someone else to enjoy.
...condolences to the family...
Also 42 and starting to see the effects of stress on my body. Some of that stress is from work, while a large part is also due to having a 3 year old and 4-month old at home and a wife who works full time in a stressful career. I've spoken with DW about both of us scaling back in a few years, as we already have a nice nest egg between the two of us. Primary concerns are college tuition for the kids and health insurance.
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Family history ? Lifestyle choices ? Intuition ? Frankly, I think leave early and try and enjoy your years. I honestly don't think I'll live to "old age" and even if I did.. who gives a cr*p. A lot of really old people have a poor quality of life anyway so why plan for it. You want to be the richest person in the old age home ? To heck with that.
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What I know of old rich people is this: money can't buy time when you are sick. And those with money instead of love/family/friends have a very very sad old age.
But to hear an old man tell of his adventures, with a twinkle in his eye and a chuckle in his voice...damn, that's the good stuff.
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But to hear an old man tell of his adventures, with a twinkle in his eye and a chuckle in his voice...damn, that's the good stuff.
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I honestly don't think I'll live to "old age" and even if I did.. who gives a cr*p. A lot of really old people have a poor quality of life anyway so why plan for it. You want to be the richest person in the old age home ? To heck with that.
Right or wrong I "give a cr*p" because the fear of 'living under a bridge eating cat food' is much stronger than my fear of 'being the richest person in the old age home' for me, especially at age 58. There's certainly no guarantee the latter is the inevitable outcome as your post implies, it would be easy if that were the case. I will loosen up in time, ideally I'll die broke.

Again, only 1 in 22 males will go poof at 40. 1 in 13 at age 50, 1 in 7 at age 60, 1 in 3.5 at age 70 and 1 in 2 at 80 (IOW, the average life span). I'm inclined to plan using the real odds, not the sad & unfortunate exceptions.

I am sure our views are all biased by our expectations re: life span. My parents are both 91 and still ticking, so my views are likely distorted to one extreme. Others with family history of short lifespans or known health problems may be understandably skewed to the other extreme. And some may be probability/statistics challenged and just fear being one of the exceptions despite the odds against it...
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Right or wrong I "give a cr*p" because the fear of 'living under a bridge eating cat food' is much stronger than my fear of 'being the richest person in the old age home' for me, especially at age 58.
This is interesting, because I suspect that most of the people on this board feel the way you do, Mid, hence the long discussion on SS, pensions, SWR, and the like. But the few outliers hidden here, me among them, might lean more toward that "well the crunchy cat food isn't ALL that bad", especially on days when the prison bars seem to be closing in more than usual. And I'm not entirely convinced that I'm willing to trade my best years for a more comfortable old age.

It is the usual risk/reward scenario, and grudgingly, we'll probably still stick it out longer than we could, but maybe not as long as most. I've not given much thought to my longevity, but then again, I'm a lot younger than you.
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I understand correlation doesn't equal causation, but I find it interesting that men are closing the "life expectancy gap" with women and have been for three decades. In the 1980s, women lived about 7 years longer on average, and by 2010 it was down to 5 years.

There's a part of me that thinks women being subjected to w*rkplace stresses and BS on a widespread basis has something to do with that.
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This happened to a colleague in my husband's office - my husband happened to be out that day doing something else---it was very tragic as the emergency services showed up late and then got lost on their way to the hospital....very sad. He was a serious runner and in great shape, however, genetically speaking he had issues...his father had had to retire early due to health issues. It was tragic and also affected everyone in the office.....what bothered a lot of them was the poor emergency services response. He left behind two children and a widow.
How the hell can emergency services get lost on the way to the hospital? If they are the local emergency services providers, should they not know where ALL the hosptials are?
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How the hell can emergency services get lost on the way to the hospital? If they are the local emergency services providers, should they not know where ALL the hosptials are?
I hate to admit it, but I used to be an EMT, and this isnt as unusual as you think. There were several times when I got lost going to where I was supposed to be going, to pick up or drop off a patient, which ended up being a billing nightmare, as our little private ambulance company billed by the mile. Thankfully nothing was urgent, as I dont know how I would have handled it if it ended up being my fault that a patient expired because I couldnt find the right place to go. Granted this was 2004 before GPS was mainstream, but it happens. They do their best.
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This is interesting, because I suspect that most of the people on this board feel the way you do, Mid, hence the long discussion on SS, pensions, SWR, and the like. But the few outliers hidden here, me among them, might lean more toward that "well the crunchy cat food isn't ALL that bad", especially on days when the prison bars seem to be closing in more than usual. And I'm not entirely convinced that I'm willing to trade my best years for a more comfortable old age.

It is the usual risk/reward scenario, and grudgingly, we'll probably still stick it out longer than we could, but maybe not as long as most. I've not given much thought to my longevity, but then again, I'm a lot younger than you.

This is pretty close to how I feel. My parents are both gone, the oldest (my mother) at 80, and that is the oldest that I feel I need to actively plan for. I figure if I enter an old age home before this, I'll have the cash for a few years. If it's after 80, I can sell my house and still log a few years at the old age home. Isn't the average stay under a year anyway?

What has gotten me even more serious about getting out early is this: about a year ago I was given a routine medication that gave me a heart attack. Ambulance, 3 days in ICU, the whole enchilada. Could've kicked the pervebial bucket right then and there....and I was 41 when that happened.....Now, if anybody on this board knows me, they sure know who I am now!
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So after this death, did all the guys age 50 and up go get physicals and have their hearts checked out?
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I am sorry to hear of the death of your coworker. 40 is far to young.
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I hate to admit it, but I used to be an EMT, and this isnt as unusual as you think. There were several times when I got lost going to where I was supposed to be going, to pick up or drop off a patient, which ended up being a billing nightmare, as our little private ambulance company billed by the mile. Thankfully nothing was urgent, as I dont know how I would have handled it if it ended up being my fault that a patient expired because I couldnt find the right place to go........
Two years ago I fell down the stairs at work and broke my wrist. I also hit my head on the door at the bottom of the stairs, so my employer insisted on calling an ambulance to take me to the hospital, rather than having a coworker drive me. The ambulance got lost on the way to pick me up, because the name of our street was very similar to a street a few miles away. For the first 30 minutes or so, the shock and the ice masked the pain, but after that the pain kicked in, and I gently suggested that the HR folks call the EMTs a second time to make sure they were on their way. They finally arrived 45 minutes after the fall. When they got there they were amazing and took great care of me.

I was really annoyed at the time, but looking back, I'm glad it happened on that occasion, and NOT the time a coworker of mine had a ruptured brain aneurysm at work. That time the EMTs arrived in a few minutes flat - probably the reason my coworker is still with us and doing fine today.

Life-threatening events like the one experienced by my coworker can certainly make one re-think priorities.
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Sorry to hear the news. I saw the obits of two people I served with recently, both 45 or 46. Too young if you ask me!
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40 years young, crazy.

I go to the gym after work each day. I figure that should keep me healthy as long as I keep it up.
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40 years young, crazy.

I go to the gym after work each day. I figure that should keep me healthy as long as I keep it up.
This guy was in shape. He went to the gym almost everyday.
Don't know about his family history.

Unfortunately, I have also known co workers that died from cancer and nothing could have prevented it. They died from lung cancer and they didn't smoke or drink.

Just goes to show you...you're here one day and gone the next and the MegaCorp really don't give a damn about you or your family
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I am also sorry to hear of the death of your coworker. 40 is way to young to die. If you have symptoms do not ignore them. I bet they had early warning signs and thought nothing of it. I have lost many friends who died suddenly with heart problems. Its strange as we age we look more at obituaries to see if they are younger than we are. If I make it to August I will be 66. That is already 3 years longer than my Mom made it. She also died of heart disease at 63. I do take much better care of myself than my parents did. I quit smoking 30 years ago and they never kicked the habit. Oldtrig
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The bottom line is that not one of us knows for certain that we will see the sun rise tomorrow. Not a one. HOW we respond to that is as indivudual as we each are - shaped by our personal health, family history, religious beliefs, generaly outlook on life and many more factors. AND our response may or may not change the fact that we will or will not live to see the sun rise tomorrow. If there is that proverbial bus with your name on it, c'est la vie. All the planning and so on in the world will not change anything.

IF, on the other hand, we are "unfortunate" enough to live a long and healthy live, failure to plan might well reduce the quality of that long and healthy life.

So, I plan. And adjust. And, yes even worry. But also realize it might be for naught. And try to live and enjoy each day as it comes. Speaking of which, DANG, missed my nap today. Oh, well. There is another one with my name on it tomorrow!
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