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Old 11-22-2010, 11:27 PM   #21
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Hi Brewer,

I suspect your work problem may be too complicated, but I was wondering if there was any chance you could serve the public good and at least see it done right, by "mentoring" someone... even a boss.

[Warning: stereotype - as a female, who was more interested in seeing things done well than public credit... my approach was often to suggest to my boss that a meeting/working group was necessary, gently guide the group discussion, craft a whitepaper that represented the "outcome of the working group", explaining what should be done and why... of course I made sure I knew most of this before any meetings occurred... it followed that after a few emails, and a meeting or so boss and colleagues often took ownership as their idea and were happy to follow my plan. /stereotype]

Naturally, I stayed involved in managing the process but it was generally easier as I had more resources, a stronger team and the backup ability to focus my boss's authority if required. I guess this is a little closer to the approach of a coach rather than a quarterback.

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The ethics rules in my case are very clear, as they are generally spelled out in law or regulation, black and white. And I have been to multiple ethics trainings in which it is clear to me that both my and the CFA Institute's standards are higher than my employer's.

Unfortunately, I am a cog in the machine, so my options are play along, keep quiet, or leave.
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If you only have 3 years, I would simply keep my head down and do my day to day job and blend in with the rest of the grunts. May not be best for mankind, but it will be best for your sanity. Don't forget the thread you had on here not long ago about trying to balance work and family life.
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The ethics rules in my case are very clear, as they are generally spelled out in law or regulation, black and white. And I have been to multiple ethics trainings in which it is clear to me that both my and the CFA Institute's standards are higher than my employer's.

Unfortunately, I am a cog in the machine, so my options are play along, keep quiet, or leave.
Are you barred from self employment forever or for a fixed period of time?

Your work ethic and skill level are not aligned with your job and work environment - and perhaps not even with your profession. This could go on forever; upper management is quite good at recognizing and exploiting this with no remorse.

This is common in IT, especially application specialists and SW engineers. Burn out is high. The ones that manage their way through this either get lots of stock options or they build a core competency that has high market demand and then go out on their own. Private sector demand lasts for years. The work is not easier but pay / performance is much more closely aligned and there is a much greater appreciation for skill level and knowledge base.
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Are you barred from self employment forever or for a fixed period of time?

Your work ethic and skill level are not aligned with your job and work environment - and perhaps not even with your profession. This could go on forever; upper management is quite good at recognizing and exploiting this with no remorse.

This is common in IT, especially application specialists and SW engineers. Burn out is high. The ones that manage their way through this either get lots of stock options or they build a core competency that has high market demand and then go out on their own. Private sector demand lasts for years. The work is not easier but pay / performance is much more closely aligned and there is a much greater appreciation for skill level and knowledge base.
I would be barred from working with a specific organization for a period of time. That is about it. It would be a minimal impediment.

I have spent plenty of time in the private sector as an employee and am well aware of the game on both sides of the fence. I don't particularly like either game. Next chapter for me is probably self employment or a small business of some sort.
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You'd make an awesome private money manager.
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You'd make an awesome private money manager.
Since I am not a natural marketer, I think that would be a tough one, especially in an industry where the biggest liar often wins.
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Well but be careful to make sure this is not against the law. In some jobs, such as my former job for the federal government, it was clearly spelled out to us that we can NOT consult for certain companies for a period of time without serious consequences. For example, I know that I cannot consult with oil companies that I dealt with on oil spill modeling or federal environmental matters for at least two years (not that I'd want to!! ). If I did, I think it would be a criminal matter though I'd have to check my little ethics handbook to see. This is probably worse if you have a security clearance like I did. Have you had ethics training yet? It would tell you about this in ethics training. Also, when you retire they load you down with ethics materials telling you what you must not do, and make you sign things saying that you understand, etc.
Well, this is obviously only a problem at normal levels of gov't employment. When a Congressman, Aide, or Administration appointee leaves the the public payroll the revolving door is spinning so fast it's a blur!
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"The best thing to do...is to pretend to be an idiot."
In my past job I usually went by your statement above.
But I worked for folks that desperately deserved it.
Your life and mileage I hope is different.
The fact that you see a benefit for your fellow man/woman would probably be the main reason I would consider it.
Also, if you can easily handle it for 3 years (long time but not a life time) might help you build dollars for retirement.
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PS. After enough years in the system it becomes very entertaining to watch the bureaucrats mess it up. Your heart and mind just numb out. Not saying its a good thing but the truth.
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Since I am not a natural marketer, I think that would be a tough one, especially in an industry where the biggest liar often wins.
Sarah might be referring to the part where you ER and manage your own family's money in the privacy of your own home...

I think you're much more likely to become a nationally-known homebrew writer & judge than to join someone else's boss small business. But you'd make a slam-dunk entrepreneur.
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Well round 1 this morning. I tried to keep it to howls and barks, but I let a few discernable words loose as well. I also larded it with a clear indication that not much help is forthcoming given the rampant overscheduling.

We'll see how much damage I did. The sad thing is that I would love to work on this issue as it is an enduring career focus for, but after getting burned repeatedly this is a "no nookie without the ring" situation.
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... but after getting burned repeatedly this is a "no nookie without the ring" situation.
So to torture this analogy a bit further, you feel that you're likely to get screwed no matter what?
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So to torture this analogy a bit further, you feel that you're likely to get screwed no matter what?
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So to torture this analogy a bit further, you feel that you're likely to get screwed no matter what?
Pretty much. In part, I am my own worst enemy. I have been thinking about how to deal with this issue for a good 6 months and am dying to pursue it simply because it is an enduring interest of mine.

Call me an intellectual floozy.
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