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Old 09-07-2005, 01:30 PM   #1
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Well, I'm taking the plunge into taxable investing. I have $8,000 that I would like to invest in the Vanguard TSM. I was wondering if this is a good time to buy...I know I am breaking a fundamental law of investing...trying to time the market. But with all this talk about feds raising rates and the market dropping, I was wondering what the Diehards though?
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:36 PM   #2
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Well, I'm taking the plunge into taxable investing. I have $8,000 that I would like to invest in the Vanguard TSM. I was wondering if this is a good time to buy...I know I am breaking a fundamental law of investing...trying to time the market. But with all this talk about feds raising rates and the market dropping, I was wondering what the Diehards though?
Well, if you're spoiling for a fight, and for lectures from Taylor & Mel, just try posting that at the Vanguard Diehards board...
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:44 PM   #3
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I'm not a market timer. I recently sold a condo and put most of the proceeds into the market on one day. One option to consider is putting the $3000 minimum in the TSM fund, then dollar cost averaging in $500/month for the next 10 months. That way, if the market crashes the day after you put in your $3000, you can continue to buy low going forward.

In the long run, that $8000 will be a small part of your total net worth. However in the short run, losing a big chunk of the $8000 due to volatility may sour you on future risk-taking.
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Old 09-07-2005, 01:55 PM   #4
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I was hoping the market was going to go down due to gas prices and the hurricane...no luck
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Just wait. The market will go down. The unknowns are when it'll go down, how much it'll go down and how long it'll go up before it'll go down. I don't have any answers for those, which is why I'm not a market timer.
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I really want it down to 10300 when I buy.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:02 PM   #7
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I assume you know 10300 is DJIA and TSM is the whole market - large, mid and small caps. I think if you had to pick just one index fund, TSM is a good one though.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:09 PM   #8
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It's just that it took me a long time to save that $8000 and I dont want to watch it disappear. How about if I DCA $3000 (minimum) and than DCA the rest.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:15 PM   #9
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If you are investing for the long term I'd do it today.
BTW, I know nothing about your other holdings, but if I were going to buy only one index for the long run, I'd buy an extended market index (total market less the 500).* At some later time I'd add a S&P 500 maintaining a ratio of 2 to 1 with the extendedl index being the larger.
Check out the performance records of the Total, 500, and extended.
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It's just that it took me a long time to save that $8000 and I dont want to watch it disappear.
If stability of principle is a high concern for you, i do not recommend the stock market. The stock market is for long-term growth of capital and really just isnt that appropriate for investment time horizons less than 5 years, unless you consider yourself really risk tolerant.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:21 PM   #11
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I plan to keep the Total Stock Market fund for atleast 35 years, DCA $50 a week after the initial $8000. Within the year I want my portfolio to look like this:

Roth IRA:
15% Target Retirement 2045

Taxable:
45% Total Stock Market
20% Tax-Managed International
20% I Bond
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You are young, a long-term investor & I imagine you are going to DCA over time.........who cares about timing? *If you can't stomach the risk then don't play the game but it is absurd for someone in their 20's to worry about a drop in value. *Actually you should welcome it. *My account regularly loses/gains $1000 in a week.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:26 PM   #13
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I plan to keep the Total Stock Market fund for atleast 35 years, DCA $50 a week after the initial $8000.* Within the year I want my portfolio to look like this:

Roth IRA:
15% Target Retirement 2045

Taxable:
45% Total Stock Market
20% Tax-Managed International
20% I Bond
Just my two cents of course, but I'd say that portfolio is far, far to conservative for a 35 year horizon. *However, it is you that must sleep at night.
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Old 09-07-2005, 02:43 PM   #14
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I could also increse the TSM to make it less conservative.
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Also Geeman if you want I bonds you may as well them in you tax def account.
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Also Geeman if you want I bonds you may as well them in you tax def account.*
I'm not following. Why would you want I-bonds in a tax deferred account? Interests accrues tax deferred until you cash the I-bond. What added benefit is there to keeping them in a tax deferred account?
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My mistake..didn't realize they were deferal based
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Old 09-08-2005, 01:40 PM   #18
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I plan to keep the Total Stock Market fund for atleast 35 years, DCA $50 a week after the initial $8000.* Within the year I want my portfolio to look like this:

Roth IRA:
15% Target Retirement 2045

Taxable:
45% Total Stock Market
20% Tax-Managed International
20% I Bond
Besides my earlier comment about TSM, I'd add the following:
I-Bonds are fine, but not 20%. How about 10% I-Bonds and 10% REITS or something like FNMIX. Check out the long term record on FNMIX.
20% International is fine if the fund you are using is decent and the fees are low. Having some emerging markets is vital.
Ref your retirement 2045- - I've always felt the average person who wanted to work at it a little could beat this type of fund.

I also think that a person your age needs to swing for the fences with 20 % of your stash.* By that I mean buying some ETF's and/or sector funds so you are riding the current wave.* Look at the $$made in energy the past 3 years.* It takes some extra work, but the right sectors will put your portfolio on steroid.
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Old 09-08-2005, 04:45 PM   #19
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So where is a good starting point. I already have $4000 in a Roth with Vanguard (retirement 2045) and A 401k with about $300 in it (S&P and Salyes and Loomis bond). I just transfered $3000 out of my Money Market today to invest. I was going to buy $3000 Total Stock Market tomorrow. Is this a good idea?
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geeman,

Why don't you just put the whole sum in the Vanguard Target 2045 and forget about it. That's 40 years from now. And then resist the urge to putz.

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