End of year email...

**Andy R** · 11-14-2007, 05:04 PM

I think it would be good if we sent out an email in December wishing our fellow members a happy holiday season and maybe a few other tidbits highlighting discussions in our community. It would be great to let them know about the new FAQ section and even congratulate our members who reach ER or FI in 2007. Do we have any writers that would like to help with this project?

Regards,

Andy R

Nords · 11-14-2007, 08:17 PM

Andy, lemme make sure we understand this from the recipient's perspective:

Are you proposing to use E-R.org to generate spam?!?

Goonie · 11-14-2007, 09:07 PM

I think those who show up here on the E-R forum have a fairly good idea of what's going on, and those that haven't been showing up here are probably indifferent to what's been going on. If individual members want to email or PM other members that they've become endeared to, and give them holiday greetings that's fine. However, I currently get enough unsolicated email, and don't really need a 'forum' generated mailing.

If thye 'powers that be' feel a holiday newsletter is necessary, just post it in this "Forum Admin" section. Otherwise, just 'opt' me out of the mass emailing.

The above is just my personal opinion.

Goon

Meadbh · 11-14-2007, 10:53 PM

No. NO. NOOOO!

It's a FORUM. Let it alone!

retire@40 · 11-15-2007, 05:51 AM

Since I wish a slow painful death to all those who send me the hundred or so spam emails every day, I do not want to put you in that category. So I kindly vote no to this idea.

brewer12345 · 11-15-2007, 06:37 AM

Bad idea.

Tomcat98 · 11-15-2007, 07:09 AM

I kind of agree. No email. However you might could put some type of banner/message on the top of the site for a couple of days with some type of Holiday greeting/message if you wanted? Or not?

Tomcat98

CybrMike · 11-15-2007, 12:53 PM

I for one, would love an email. Man you guys are so Bah Humbug.

packrat44 · 11-15-2007, 12:57 PM

Negative!!!!

**Andy R** · 11-15-2007, 10:12 PM

The idea is not to SPAM our members. An opt out option is available to everyone in your UserCP >> Options (link) and uncheck "Receive Email from Administrators". I will need to send an email to everyone when I post the Privacy Statement (should be ready soon) and would like to include an update including the new FAQs, other active threads, etc. This has been very effective on other forums because sometimes a quality member who joined a couple years ago forgot about our community and often a nice community email will give them a friendly reminder to come back and join in the discussions. There will be an opt out in all the emails and we will always comply with SPAM laws.

haha · 11-15-2007, 11:40 PM

he may be waiting for just this sort of personal invitation to return.

Ha

clifp · 11-16-2007, 01:29 AM

I am with Andy on this. Honestly, a yearly email for an organization that you signed up for an opted into recieve admin emails is far cry from SPAM.

I know I've signed up for various forums and forget about them, I can't imagine being upset about one time email, saying hello and oh by the way we've added XYZ, and a bit of a status update is fine.

cute fuzzy bunny · 11-16-2007, 09:37 AM

When I left the admin messages box checked, I didnt think it was so I could receive marketing messages but rather important messages about forum administration related issues.

How about we add a nice opt-in "Would you like to get informational and promotional emails from e-r.org" email check box?

I'm getting about 50 unsolicited emails per day, and up to 50 spam messages. Thats enough.

Nords · 11-16-2007, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy R

The idea is not to SPAM our members. An opt out option is available to everyone in your UserCP >> Options (link) and uncheck "Receive Email from Administrators".

I think there's a semantic and a content difference between:
"Receive official e-mail from administrators telling you about server/software problems or policy changes or other major issues of importance to your discussion-board experience."

and

"Sign up for our free newsletter!!"

So, if you're going to forge ahead on this project, I'd appreciate the extra button allowing us to opt out of all but official notifications. But if you're only going to leave one button to turn off everything then I'll check that one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy R

This has been very effective on other forums...

I'm still confused by what E-R.org has in common with the other SocialKnowledge communities, with the possible exception of the Airstream forums. I wouldn't expect that what works on the fashion or the royals forum would have the same appeal to this crowd.

SC · 11-16-2007, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords

I think there's a semantic and a content difference between:
"Receive official e-mail from administrators telling you about server/software problems or policy changes or other major issues of importance to your discussion-board experience."

and

"Sign up for our free newsletter!!"

What Nords said. My interpretation of the opt-in was for the former, and what Andy wants to do sounds like the latter. Okay, a yearly newsletter is a drop in the bucket compared to the other email I have to process, but IMHO it would be a lot better if it were simply posted on the site.

**Andy R** · 11-16-2007, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords

I'm still confused by what E-R.org has in common with the other SocialKnowledge communities, with the possible exception of the Airstream forums. I wouldn't expect that what works on the fashion or the royals forum would have the same appeal to this crowd.

Actually I have not sent emails like the one stated on the fashion or royal site. The sites that have sent them are Discuss Cooking, Mountain Buzz (link to example) & Cruisers Forum (sailing). The most frequent was like 4 times per year on the cooking site and the least frequent was once in 2 years on Cruisers Forum. The idea is simply to reach out and update our members in an effort to see if we can engage some of them to participate again. There will be no ads, just info about our community.

cute fuzzy bunny · 11-16-2007, 11:04 AM

I think the "disenaged members" fall into three distinct categories.

1. People who came by and after a brief look-see forgot about it. They might come back for another look-see and probably forget about it again.

2. People who left because they were sick of the political threads or some other horsepuckey and decided to take their posting energies elsewhere. Unrooting them from where they've roosted is probably not going to happen. Thats a bummer.

3. A bunch of former trolls, miscreants and other thrilling types who had 3-30 separate accounts set up to harass people and finally got run out of town. They'll enjoy the reminder(s) that they havent been by to be bothersome in a long time and should stop by to share some of their holiday cheer. One of them killed a pair of forums and a separate duo killed a third forum.

So...good luck with that. I already unchecked the box on my profile. I've already enjoyed throwing away 26 pieces of spam today.

Goonie · 11-16-2007, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nords

I think there's a semantic and a content difference between:
"Receive official e-mail from administrators telling you about server/software problems or policy changes or other major issues of importance to your discussion-board experience."

and

"Sign up for our free newsletter!!"

So, if you're going to forge ahead on this project, I'd appreciate the extra button allowing us to opt out of all but official notifications. But if you're only going to leave one button to turn off everything then I'll check that one.

DITTO!

Goonie · 11-16-2007, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy R

An opt out option is available to everyone in your UserCP >> Options (link) and uncheck "Receive Email from Administrators".

Thanks for the reminder of the ~~SPAM~~ email opt-out option.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy R

I will need to send an email to everyone when I post the Privacy Statement........

Again, couldn't that just be posted here in the "Forum Admin" section? Does it really NEED to be in email form?

pfpelican · 11-16-2007, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goonie

Thanks for the reminder of the ~~SPAM~~ email opt-out option.

DITTO

11-14-2007, 05:04 PM	#1
Andy R Administrator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 851	End of year email... I think it would be good if we sent out an email in December wishing our fellow members a happy holiday season and maybe a few other tidbits highlighting discussions in our community. It would be great to let them know about the new FAQ section and even congratulate our members who reach ER or FI in 2007. Do we have any writers that would like to help with this project? Regards, Andy R

11-14-2007, 08:17 PM	#2
Nords Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Oahu Posts: 15,666	Andy, lemme make sure we understand this from the recipient's perspective: Are you proposing to use E-R.org to generate spam?!? __________________ * * For more info see "About Me" in my profile.

11-14-2007, 09:07 PM	#3
Goonie Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: North Central Illinois Posts: 2,042	I think those who show up here on the E-R forum have a fairly good idea of what's going on, and those that haven't been showing up here are probably indifferent to what's been going on. If individual members want to email or PM other members that they've become endeared to, and give them holiday greetings that's fine. However, I currently get enough unsolicated email, and don't really need a 'forum' generated mailing. If thye 'powers that be' feel a holiday newsletter is necessary, just post it in this "Forum Admin" section. Otherwise, just 'opt' me out of the mass emailing. The above is just my personal opinion. Goon __________________ "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss - Retired April 2007 @ 50 with COLA'd DB Pension plus Lifetime Medical & Dental Insurance.

11-15-2007, 05:51 AM	#5
retire@40 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,578	Since I wish a slow painful death to all those who send me the hundred or so spam emails every day, I do not want to put you in that category. So I kindly vote no to this idea. __________________ No man is free who is not master of himself. --- Epictetus Enjoy Yourself (It's Later Than You Think). --- Guy Lombardo

11-15-2007, 06:37 AM	#6
brewer12345 Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,226	Bad idea. __________________ “When you realize that you are one of the rare few who observe moral principles in their relationships with others, there is a temptation to sink into amorality, not out of conviction or pleasure but simply to avoid further pain, because there is no greater suffering than being an angel in hell, whereas a devil feels at home wherever he goes.” – Martin Page, How I Became Stupid

11-14-2007, 10:53 PM	#4
Meadbh Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,512	No. NO. NOOOO! It's a FORUM. Let it alone!

11-15-2007, 07:09 AM	#7
Tomcat98 Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 209	I kind of agree. No email. However you might could put some type of banner/message on the top of the site for a couple of days with some type of Holiday greeting/message if you wanted? Or not? Tomcat98

11-15-2007, 12:53 PM	#8
CybrMike Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 293	I for one, would love an email. Man you guys are so Bah Humbug.

11-15-2007, 12:57 PM	#9
packrat44 Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 542	Negative!!!! __________________ Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. That's my story and I am sticking to it.

11-15-2007, 10:12 PM	#10
Andy R Administrator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 851	The idea is not to SPAM our members. An opt out option is available to everyone in your UserCP >> Options (link) and uncheck "Receive Email from Administrators". I will need to send an email to everyone when I post the Privacy Statement (should be ready soon) and would like to include an update including the new FAQs, other active threads, etc. This has been very effective on other forums because sometimes a quality member who joined a couple years ago forgot about our community and often a nice community email will give them a friendly reminder to come back and join in the discussions. There will be an opt out in all the emails and we will always comply with SPAM laws.

11-15-2007, 11:40 PM	#11
haha Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,393	Be sure to send one to John Galt he may be waiting for just this sort of personal invitation to return. Ha __________________ "Show 'em just enough to win the turkey."- Former KY Governor Bert Combs

11-16-2007, 01:29 AM	#12
clifp Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 2,137	I am with Andy on this. Honestly, a yearly email for an organization that you signed up for an opted into recieve admin emails is far cry from SPAM. I know I've signed up for various forums and forget about them, I can't imagine being upset about one time email, saying hello and oh by the way we've added XYZ, and a bit of a status update is fine.

11-16-2007, 09:37 AM	#13
cute fuzzy bunny Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Losing my whump Posts: 22,527	When I left the admin messages box checked, I didnt think it was so I could receive marketing messages but rather important messages about forum administration related issues. How about we add a nice opt-in "Would you like to get informational and promotional emails from e-r.org" email check box? I'm getting about 50 unsolicited emails per day, and up to 50 spam messages. Thats enough. __________________ Many an optimist has become rich by buying out a pessimist

11-16-2007, 11:04 AM	#17
cute fuzzy bunny Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Losing my whump Posts: 22,527	I think the "disenaged members" fall into three distinct categories. 1. People who came by and after a brief look-see forgot about it. They might come back for another look-see and probably forget about it again. 2. People who left because they were sick of the political threads or some other horsepuckey and decided to take their posting energies elsewhere. Unrooting them from where they've roosted is probably not going to happen. Thats a bummer. 3. A bunch of former trolls, miscreants and other thrilling types who had 3-30 separate accounts set up to harass people and finally got run out of town. They'll enjoy the reminder(s) that they havent been by to be bothersome in a long time and should stop by to share some of their holiday cheer. One of them killed a pair of forums and a separate duo killed a third forum. So...good luck with that. I already unchecked the box on my profile. I've already enjoyed throwing away 26 pieces of spam today. __________________ Many an optimist has become rich by buying out a pessimist