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Old 07-13-2007, 09:47 PM   #21
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Old 07-14-2007, 12:59 AM   #22
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Just a comment: I don't think there's any great added value in ignoring entire threads based on the originator. I don't want to put down the people who obviously feel strongly about it, but it's not all that difficult to avoid clicking on a thread that you don't want to click on.

I don't really have a horse in this race since I haven't "ignored" anyone yet... but I would like to point out, as an example, the recent thread on refineries started by newguy888. I gather he's on some people's ignore list, but in reading the thread replies I found out quite a lot of interesting stuff I never knew -and would never have known otherwise- about oil refining! So ya never know...!!

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Old 07-14-2007, 01:43 PM   #24
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Just a comment: I don't think there's any great added value in ignoring entire threads based on the originator....it's not all that difficult to avoid clicking on a thread that you don't want to click on.
But there is great value in ignoring a thread based on the thread.

True that you don't have to click on threads that have a topic you have no interest in reading on this forum. But, when you have to keep looking at those threads over and over every time you log in, it gets to be as annoying as spam in your email.

Wouldn't it be nice to have an "ignore thread" button next to each thread so it doesn't keep clogging up the list of threads? If I don't want to see a thread on "Iran needs nukes" one time, why would I want to see that same heading again the next time I log on? I am NEVER going to click on it, so I NEVER want to see it again.

If you don't think a thread like that is annoying, then what would you think if I posted 100 variations of the same theme on here once a week? Would it be annoying then?
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Old 07-14-2007, 02:48 PM   #25
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Wouldn't it be nice to have an "ignore thread" button next to each thread so it doesn't keep clogging up the list of threads?
Yes, I think that could actually be useful.. it's a bit different than automatic hiding of everything based on user.

I would be far more likely to ignore an entire thread than to ignore a user, mostly since I think it would be wierd to read threads where some main participant is blocked out and thus other people's responses might make no sense...

It's not just about politics or who's annoying, either. For instance, I'm happy that people enjoy RVs or surfing, but I'm not going to go RVing or surfing so I would be happy to be able to "tidy up" unread posts to eliminate those threads from my list, at least (as you say) past their first appearance.
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Old 07-14-2007, 03:36 PM   #26
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Yes.

For example, I have both Newguy and BooBoo on my "Ignore Poster" list.
Nords, I don't think its a good idea to single/call out people publicly like this..it's a bit like bullying and just encourages animosity between folks.
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Nords, I don't think its a good idea to single/call out people publicly like this..it's a bit like bullying and just encourages animosity between folks.
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Yes, Dan, I'm reading your posts.

I think that posters capering around under multiple IDs should know that we recognize not only their IP addresses but their writing styles. It seems especially deceitful to be making posts from those different poster IDs to the same thread in an effort to make people think that they're different-- when they're really not.

I can see discarding an ID and starting up a new one when a password is misplaced. I can see doing it for some personal reason like "too much sharing" or avoiding large post counts. But none of those reasons seem to be in effect here, and Newguy has said several times before that he was going to rein in his Chicken Little behavior. Apparently that's no longer the case...

I think it's a shame that the valuable contributions of this board can be sullied by that type of behavior. It doesn't enhance the dignity of the poster behaving in that manner, and it doesn't respect the efforts of the rest of the posters.
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Old 07-14-2007, 04:44 PM   #28
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I have to believe that there are other posters that agree with Dan Tien.

I'm also sure that there are others who are uncomfortable with an ex-moderator using "inside information" to excuse their attack and making claims that regular posters have no way of verifying for themselves.

Have I given up any right to expect privacy in my PM's to moderators and posters? Knowing up front instead of it being thrown in my face would be preferrable to me, but maybe I'm just in the minority.

Where's a moderator when you need one? smiley face Hey, where's a smiley face when you need one? oops, figgered it out
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I dont think Nords is enjoying any special privileges. When I've suspected trolls of using additional user ID's, I've asked the mods and been told whether or not my suspicions had any basis.

It also doesnt appear that any information passed in a private message has been compromised. What did I miss?

Lets not drop the noose on the victim here either, shall we?
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Yes, Dan, I'm reading your posts.

I think that posters capering around under multiple IDs should know that we recognize not only their IP addresses but their writing styles. It seems especially deceitful to be making posts from those different poster IDs to the same thread in an effort to make people think that they're different-- when they're really not.

I can see discarding an ID and starting up a new one when a password is misplaced. I can see doing it for some personal reason like "too much sharing" or avoiding large post counts. But none of those reasons seem to be in effect here, and Newguy has said several times before that he was going to rein in his Chicken Little behavior. Apparently that's no longer the case...

I think it's a shame that the valuable contributions of this board can be sullied by that type of behavior. It doesn't enhance the dignity of the poster behaving in that manner, and it doesn't respect the efforts of the rest of the posters.
I see where you're coming from. I haven't been following that close. Glad I'm not on your ignore list.
I do have an old id or 2...as if you didn't know already...I don't know what I was thinking at the time, but I'm probably not the only one here that's made some mistakes in their lives, eh? Right? Well, you can go ahead and clean those fellas out, oops just remembered you're retired....ahh, forget it
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I think that posters capering around under multiple IDs should know that we recognize not only their IP addresses

............. and Newguy has said several times before that he was going to rein in his Chicken Little behavior.
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Well, I don't recognize anyone's IP address (do I have access?) and maybe I missed the several times Newguy publicly posted his intention to "rein in his Chicken Little behavior". Seemed like inside information to me but if it's not can I have the ER clue to access this info?

Hey, where's the secret handshake smiley when you need it?

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After all the years I've been reading Nords posts I don't think for one minute that he would do anything that's not in the best interest of this forum. I feel very comfortable having him know what's going on around here. Moderator or not.
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Well, I don't recognize anyone's IP address (do I have access?) and maybe I missed the several times Newguy publicly posted his intention to "rein in his Chicken Little behavior". Seemed like inside information to me but if it's not can I have the ER clue to access this info?

IP addresses are only visible to the moderators. If you're a mod, each post shows an IP address and there are logs you can dump. However, IP addresses are like post office return addresses...you can write in pretty much whatever you want by going through a proxy or an 'anonymizer' site.

In the instance I provided a demonstration of, I used "The Onion Router" (TOR), a downloadable product that sends your internet traffic through a random series of routers, from which you pop at some random (or selected) point on the globe. Invisible as to who you are or where you're living.

As far as the reining in of the chicken little behavior, that would be here:
newguy888 public message.

Approximately 2 hours later, we got "Cindy Sheehan Is Headed Home" and it went on from there.

All of which I had to look up, because he's been on my ignore list for about a month. Not enough content outside the screaming headlines to be interested in.
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To be fair to Newguy, I think he has added some good posts about his FIRE experiences and would guess that he feels strongly about some issues....He does make it pretty clear in the threads what the topic is about and posts in "off topics"....It usually isnt my cup of tea, but if you dont like it, dont read the threads....
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...but if you dont like it, dont read the threads....
Even though I don't want to read the threads, every time I log on and there is a new post to those threads, I am forced to see them due to the limited capabilities of this forum software.

It just proves the person who designed this forum software hasn't used it enough to realize it's shortfalls and imperfections.
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Newguy...OAP...DLAT....CFB.....Son of CFB.....Nords......

Fair to everybody.........'cept Tryan, who when I was on vacation made claims of 19% yearly returns on real estate against my 9-11%. Wait...did he say compounded yearly?
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To be fair to Newguy, I think he has added some good posts about his FIRE experiences and would guess that he feels strongly about some issues....He does make it pretty clear in the threads what the topic is about and posts in "off topics"....It usually isnt my cup of tea, but if you dont like it, dont read the threads....

Thanks

What seems to be however my posts that became an issue for Nords were ones that were not his political slant. Heck I made it clear to any and everyone here on the forum that I sometimes have no idea what I am posting about!

Man its just a forum, I don't take this stuff that seriously. I don't take myself seriously. Life is too short to worry about the small stuff. Ignore lists, they are sooo High school.
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IP addresses are only visible to the moderators.

As far as the reining in of the chicken little behavior, that would be here:
newguy888 public message.
Well I'm not ready to condemn someone when you, yourself say the IP is only visible to the Mod and that it is not something you'd want to hang your hat on.

And the single, year old post doesn't seem to support the original claim. Thanks for trying to shed so light on the entire situation but I think the explaining needs to be done from the source.
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When the IP addresses match, thats a pretty good indication that you have the same guy posting under multiple names. Having them different is not an indication of two different people, however.

I'm of the understanding that the poster in question posted from the same IP address, using multiple user IDs, presumably because he'd taken a little too much heat under his primary name and wanted to 'peanut butter' the stupid, non-ER related threads out a little bit.

Not the end of the world, but its really not what the place is all about. Its particularly onerous when the poster acknowledges that the behavior is unsatisfactory and that they intend to change, then they continue the same behavior.

By the way, that post is from last week, not a year ago.

And...thats all I have to say about...that!
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By the way, that post is from last week, not a year ago.

And...thats all I have to say about...that!
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i do agree .............. that's all folks!!!!!!!!

Now in your six transactions.........did tryan dust you too?? Isn't he from the east coast?
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