what % of members have turned off the Soap Box entirely? - Page 2

REWahoo · 09-06-2008, 05:39 PM

<sigh>

Ladelfina, lighten up. Are you so mired in political debate you can no longer recognize a joke when you see one? I was pointing out what I thought was the humorous absurdity of Sam's suggestion to move this to the Soapbox.

FIRE'd@51 · 09-06-2008, 05:52 PM

ladelfina, from your posts (#1 and #11) on this thread, it seems to me that what you really want to know is how the ER forum breaks down in this election. You feel, and perhaps correctly so, that the vote that we are getting from the poll on Soapbox may not be a representative sample, since many may not be aware of it existence. It seems to me the simple solution would be for the moderators (if they want to) to put up a forum-wide poll in a special thread, with no discussion allowed, that everyone can see and know is there. Then anyone who wants to participate can vote anonymously, and you will presumably have as good a representative sample as you're going to get.

**Want2retire** · 09-06-2008, 05:53 PM

I try to read the Soapbox as much as I can, as part of my Mod duties.

Before becoming a Moderator, I was no fan of the Soapbox. I was about as likely to look at a thread in the Soapbox as to look at those beheading videos that Islamic terrorists put online (and no, I never looked at those either!!)

Most people already have their minds made up before the discussion in these threads even begins. Frankly I am not sure why people get their jollies arguing politics, but I am OK with that, as long as they don't violate our Community Rules.

Brat · 09-06-2008, 05:56 PM

I really like the fact that we have a Soap Box to hold those threads. That type of discourse is unavoidable in an election year and I think it decreases the spit Moderators would receive if we deleted that type of discussion.

FYI, I recently had wrist/arm surgery from the result of a bad fall.. probably in a long cast on my dominant hand for another 4 weeks. More reading than commenting for a while.

samclem · 09-06-2008, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ladelfina

sam, REW, notmuchlonger.. you are being the problematic, argumentative ones here. You can see my practical reason for asking; I stated it twice.

It's not my fault that people used the opportunity to sound off one way or the other.

Yes, sorry, I was making a little joke. I hope people can still take a little joshing around here.

harley · 09-06-2008, 06:48 PM

I think the majority of people I have on ignore are there due more to lack of a recognizable (by me anyway) sense of humor than for their opinions. I get tired of some people shaking their fingers at other people who are just having fun.

MovedToFl · 09-06-2008, 06:55 PM

Hmm,new here,so no idea what your are all writing about.

Ignorance is bliss?

Sometimes for sure :-)

ladelfina · 09-06-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FIRE'd@51

ladelfina, from your posts (#1 and #11) on this thread, it seems to me that what you really want to know is how the ER forum breaks down in this election. You feel, and perhaps correctly so, that the vote that we are getting from the poll on Soapbox may not be a representative sample, since many may not be aware of it existence. It seems to me the simple solution would be for the moderators (if they want to) to put up a forum-wide poll in a special thread, with no discussion allowed, that everyone can see and know is there. Then anyone who wants to participate can vote anonymously, and you will presumably have as good a representative sample as you're going to get.

That is a good idea.
Mind you, I don't *need* to see a poll.. I was just idly wondering how to assess the existing one.

sam/REW .. sure, sure..

Notmuchlonger · 09-06-2008, 07:56 PM

I wasn't joking.

Have a nice day

**Sarah in SC** · 09-06-2008, 11:04 PM

Polls posted in the soapbox are not going to be representative samplings of the posters here. The best and brightest have the soapbox on ignore. As for the rest of us, we are required to read it, despite the total lack of bacon posted therein. <sigh>

bright eyed · 09-07-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarah in SC

Polls posted in the soapbox are not going to be representative samplings of the posters here. The best and brightest have the soapbox on ignore. As for the rest of us, we are required to read it, despite the total lack of bacon posted therein. <sigh>

Hey hey there, hold your ponies...the soap box, as much as it is vilified is a fun place to hang out (for political junkies like me).

It's a place where you always know your views will be challenged and where you will have to defend your pov...sure, if you just have "faith" and that's why you think what you think, then it's not a fun place to hang out.

But some of us like ~~abuse~~...the intellectual rigor...

An aspect of a "healthy" group is one that can disagree, sometimes passionately so.

Sure, sometimes we're just chasing our tails, but sometimes, it's fun to get dizzy.

laurence · 09-07-2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by samclem

Yes, sorry, I was making a little joke. I hope people can still take a little joshing around here.

Your joke was in poor taste obviously resulting in your completely incorrect political views! SCUM!

outtarentals · 09-07-2008, 02:36 AM

I really enjoy the Soapbox because it's stimulating and often just plain hilarious. The Moderators deserve pats on the back for wading through the posts and keeping us in line.

There are some very intelligent and knowledgable folks posting on the Soapbox - you know who you are - and I've learned a lot from them even though some have very different views from me..... and some don't.

I'll fight for my candidate, he is the guy I trust...but if he isn't chosen, I'm trying to prepare myself for a gracious acceptance of the other fellow since there's nothing I can do about it.

Notmuchlonger · 09-07-2008, 02:49 AM

I think it would be a great place. Specially if it wasn't moderated.

Since politics is never really civil. Just a pig dressed up with some lipstick.

outtarentals · 09-07-2008, 03:02 AM

Actually Notmuchlonger, I think it was a pitbull with lipstick - not a pig. Just a technicality, I know.

If you really want to see some incivility in politics, watch the British Parliamentary broadcasts. Here in USA the politicians are usually polite - at least to their faces.

Notmuchlonger · 09-07-2008, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by outtarentals

Actually Notmuchlonger, I think it was a pitbull with lipstick - not a pig. Just a technicality, I know.

If you really want to see some incivility in politics, watch the British Parliamentary broadcasts. Here in USA the politicians are usually polite - at least to their faces.

Its a difficult situation when moderators are allowed to partake it a such volatile discussions. I would just prefer no moderation. However these boards are well run and I respect any all rules they have.

ladypatriot · 09-07-2008, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by outtarentals

I'll fight for my candidate, he is the guy I trust...but if he isn't chosen, I'm trying to prepare myself for a gracious acceptance of the other fellow since there's nothing I can do about it.

This type of statement is one of the reasons I avoid the Soapbox. I cannot fathom how one can "trust" either Obama or McCain. Do you personally know either one? Have you met him? Had coffee with him? Watched a hockey game with him? Trust is something that belongs between two people who have a relationship. I might believe one candidate's promises; probably because it's what I want to hear or believe. I might think one candidate is more attractive, seems more intelligent, more experienced, more energetic, more idealistic, etc. etc. ad infinitum. Does that mean I trust either one?

And yes, I realize my post is of the type that belongs in the Soapbox, and I apologize. My bad.

REWahoo · 09-07-2008, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Notmuchlonger

I think it would be a great place. Specially if it wasn't moderated.

Since politics is never really civil. Just a pig dressed up with some lipstick.

Here's a link for you and anyone else here who wants an open, unmoderated free speech forum to discuss politics:

Argue With Everyone Political Forums

Have fun!

retire@40 · 09-07-2008, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by REWahoo

Here's a link for you and anyone else here who wants an open, unmoderated free speech forum to discuss politics:

Argue With Everyone Political Forums

Have fun!

If we were really smart here, don't you think we would get rid of the Soap Box and replace it with your link above?

This way people would click on it, get lost in that forum, and not find their way back here.

HFWR · 09-07-2008, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bright eyed

It's a place where you always know your views will be challenged and where you will have to defend your pov...sure, if you just have "faith" and that's why you think what you think, then it's not a fun place to hang out.

Aside from being too ~~lazy~~ busy to argue incessantly about politics, I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday. My political views are the result of years of thoughtful study...

09-06-2008, 05:39 PM	#21
REWahoo Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 11,507	<sigh> Ladelfina, lighten up. Are you so mired in political debate you can no longer recognize a joke when you see one? I was pointing out what I thought was the humorous absurdity of Sam's suggestion to move this to the Soapbox. __________________ [MODERATOR EDIT]

09-06-2008, 05:53 PM	#23
Want2retire Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New Orleans Posts: 6,033	I try to read the Soapbox as much as I can, as part of my Mod duties. Before becoming a Moderator, I was no fan of the Soapbox. I was about as likely to look at a thread in the Soapbox as to look at those beheading videos that Islamic terrorists put online (and no, I never looked at those either!!) Most people already have their minds made up before the discussion in these threads even begins. Frankly I am not sure why people get their jollies arguing politics, but I am OK with that, as long as they don't violate our Community Rules. __________________ Dreaming of retirement.... " - - my greatest skill has been to want but little - - " (Henry David Thoreau, in Walden)

09-06-2008, 05:56 PM	#24
Brat Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 2,827	I really like the fact that we have a Soap Box to hold those threads. That type of discourse is unavoidable in an election year and I think it decreases the spit Moderators would receive if we deleted that type of discussion. FYI, I recently had wrist/arm surgery from the result of a bad fall.. probably in a long cast on my dominant hand for another 4 weeks. More reading than commenting for a while. __________________ Duck bjorn.

09-06-2008, 06:48 PM	#26
harley Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: May 2008 Location: MD's Eastern Shore Posts: 748	I think the majority of people I have on ignore are there due more to lack of a recognizable (by me anyway) sense of humor than for their opinions. I get tired of some people shaking their fingers at other people who are just having fun. __________________ "A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort." DW and I - FIREd at 50, two years ago, living off assets

09-06-2008, 07:56 PM	#29
Notmuchlonger Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,902	I wasn't joking. Have a nice day __________________ He who will not economize will have to agonize

09-06-2008, 05:52 PM	#22
FIRE'd@51 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,030	ladelfina, from your posts (#1 and #11) on this thread, it seems to me that what you really want to know is how the ER forum breaks down in this election. You feel, and perhaps correctly so, that the vote that we are getting from the poll on Soapbox may not be a representative sample, since many may not be aware of it existence. It seems to me the simple solution would be for the moderators (if they want to) to put up a forum-wide poll in a special thread, with no discussion allowed, that everyone can see and know is there. Then anyone who wants to participate can vote anonymously, and you will presumably have as good a representative sample as you're going to get.

09-06-2008, 06:55 PM	#27
MovedToFl Dryer sheet wannabe Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 18	Hmm,new here,so no idea what your are all writing about. Ignorance is bliss? Sometimes for sure :-)

09-06-2008, 11:04 PM	#30
Sarah in SC Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 2,691	Polls posted in the soapbox are not going to be representative samplings of the posters here. The best and brightest have the soapbox on ignore. As for the rest of us, we are required to read it, despite the total lack of bacon posted therein. <sigh> __________________ "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." - Mark Twain DINKS, 37 and 45, plan for his ER at 50, mine few yrs later.

09-07-2008, 02:36 AM	#33
outtarentals Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 149	I really enjoy the Soapbox because it's stimulating and often just plain hilarious. The Moderators deserve pats on the back for wading through the posts and keeping us in line. There are some very intelligent and knowledgable folks posting on the Soapbox - you know who you are - and I've learned a lot from them even though some have very different views from me..... and some don't. I'll fight for my candidate, he is the guy I trust...but if he isn't chosen, I'm trying to prepare myself for a gracious acceptance of the other fellow since there's nothing I can do about it.

09-07-2008, 02:49 AM	#34
Notmuchlonger Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 2,902	I think it would be a great place. Specially if it wasn't moderated. Since politics is never really civil. Just a pig dressed up with some lipstick. __________________ He who will not economize will have to agonize

09-07-2008, 03:02 AM	#35
outtarentals Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 149	Actually Notmuchlonger, I think it was a pitbull with lipstick - not a pig. Just a technicality, I know. If you really want to see some incivility in politics, watch the British Parliamentary broadcasts. Here in USA the politicians are usually polite - at least to their faces.