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02-26-2016, 01:48 PM
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Makes perfect sense. The healthy non-diabetics don't cost them any different. The diabetics improving their health can probably save them quite a bit.
Yes, I realize they aren't taking prevention into account. But the savings aren't as easy for them to project.
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If we're talking strictly cost & not being PC, the cheapest thing is probably for the people to die early vs. managing the problem over a long period. Look at SS & Medicare, the cheapest thing is for a person to die at 64 & 364 days.
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02-26-2016, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan
Try talking to the trees when out for your runs. When the trees start talking back, you know that you are overdoing it.
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I'll give it a try. I vaguely remember trees talking back several decades ago.
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02-26-2016, 05:06 PM
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All of these studies are pretty consistent. Exercise is worthwhile. I read a study that quantified exercise effort in terms of METS( standard metabolisms). It stated that the benefits of vigorous exercise to prevent certain types of cancers seems to top out at 12 mets for some period which I forgot. That's very vigorous. Bottom line is do as much vigorous exercise as you can.
In fact the evidence is so overwhelming it is really irresponsible not to do it in some form.
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02-26-2016, 06:01 PM
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I abhor excersise as such. About 8 months a year I figure skate roughly 5 hrs per week, summers roughly 4 to 6 hrs per week kayaking, along with miscellaneous lumberjacking, plus hiking around the lands of my mancave.
I'll live forever! Yeah right.
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150 minutes/week exercise "recommended"
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150 minutes/week exercise "recommended"
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Originally Posted by ls99
I abhor excersise as such. About 8 months a year I figure skate roughly 5 hrs per week, summers roughly 4 to 6 hrs per week kayaking, along with miscellaneous lumberjacking, plus hiking around the lands of my mancave.
I'll live forever! Yeah right.
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None of those are exercise. All of those are playing.
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02-27-2016, 09:58 AM
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Thanks to this thread, I've been slugging out there every day. I swim at least 30 minutes a day. Walk at least a mile to shop for light groceries, and doing yard work. The health benefit I see is that I sleep very well at night. Same with my husband, he tries to run every day in the morning, but if he can't he will go swimming with me.
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02-27-2016, 02:04 PM
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I have been exercising 30 mins a day usually 6 days a week. 3 days of walking/jogging and three days with a trainer. I feel better than I have in years. Energy level is higher and sleep is better. I have also lost about 30 pounds but I attribute a lot of that to diet and less stress.
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02-27-2016, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Danmar
All of these studies are pretty consistent. Exercise is worthwhile. I read a study that quantified exercise effort in terms of METS( standard metabolisms). It stated that the benefits of vigorous exercise to prevent certain types of cancers seems to top out at 12 mets for some period which I forgot. That's very vigorous. Bottom line is do as much vigorous exercise as you can.
In fact the evidence is so overwhelming it is really irresponsible not to do it in some form.
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That is very vigorous! Can you find a reference to this study?
The number of middle aged people willing to exercise at 12 METs, or even capable of attaining 12 METs is small.
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02-27-2016, 05:52 PM
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None of those are exercise. All of those are playing.
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Exactly. And I am sticking with it.
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02-27-2016, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by prose3589
I have been exercising 30 mins a day usually 6 days a week. 3 days of walking/jogging and three days with a trainer. I feel better than I have in years. Energy level is higher and sleep is better. I have also lost about 30 pounds but I attribute a lot of that to diet and less stress.
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Congratulations! That's awesome. I lost a bunch better yet I no longer take any medications. It's amazing how diet and exercise can make such a huge change.
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02-27-2016, 10:35 PM
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But it's exercise. You're not supposed to have "fun"...
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02-28-2016, 08:10 AM
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But it's exercise. You're not supposed to have "fun"...
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Disagree, it is not exercise!
It is pure unadulterated fun with some eye hand coordination, good blance and muscular controls required. Preferrably done in good form.
For the skating some semblence of art thrown in as well.
BTW if I wanted adulterated fun I'd have been a porn star.
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02-28-2016, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by haha
That is very vigorous! Can you find a reference to this study?
The number of middle aged people willing to exercise at 12 METs, or even capable of attaining 12 METs is small.
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Yes, I agree. I exercise around 8-10 mets. At this level the benefits are still very large. Sorry, I found the study when I was surfing and can't find it again. Although there seems to be quite a lot on the net relating to this subject. Ie vigorous exercise is better at preventing certain types of cancer. In particular a Finnish study.
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02-28-2016, 09:40 AM
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A while back, on one of those other forums, I saw a typical comment pooh-poohing exercise for longevity: "Why do something I don't enjoy, just to spend extra years in the nursing home."
I think the exercising is to try to extend the years not spent in a nursing home.
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02-28-2016, 10:00 AM
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I think the exercising is to try to extend the years not spent in a nursing home.
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The best, and I think still the most relevant, take on exercise I've heard was way back in the 70's when aerobics was being sold as the Be All of Immortality and Health. There was an exercise guru on TV and he admitted exercise won't necessarily add years to your life but it can add life to your years. That's worth settling for. But if get extra that's good too.
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02-28-2016, 10:34 AM
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If you can do vigorous exercise like me, I can't run or do aerobics even if my life depends on it, I still think it's beneficial to do some low impact exercise. My in laws were healthy even until the late 80s, all they did was walking a lot. The minute they stop walking because my father in law can't keep up, their health started to go down.
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02-28-2016, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Amethyst
A while back, on one of those other forums, I saw a typical comment pooh-poohing exercise for longevity: "Why do something I don't enjoy, just to spend extra years in the nursing home."
I think the exercising is to try to extend the years not spent in a nursing home.
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Exactly - that person is not able to think logically.
They've obviously already decided they won't put in the effort to have a better quality of life when older. Maybe some folks think you can't improve health through fitness when you are a senior, or in the decades before you become a senior.
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02-28-2016, 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Fedup
If you can do vigorous exercise like me, I can't run or do aerobics even if my life depends on it, I still think it's beneficial to do some low impact exercise. My in laws were healthy even until the late 80s, all they did was walking a lot. The minute they stop walking because my father in law can't keep up, their health started to go down.
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Studies have shown that even walking a lot - just 2 miles a day even - has major health benefits for older folks.
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02-28-2016, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Danmar
Sorry, I found the study when I was surfing and can't find it again. Although there seems to be quite a lot on the net relating to this subject. Ie vigorous exercise is better at preventing certain types of cancer. In particular a Finnish study.
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Thanks for trying to find it Danmar.
Ha
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02-28-2016, 08:33 PM
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