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Old 06-08-2016, 08:00 PM   #1
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Am I Wrong about "Added" Sugar?

Added sugar seems to be getting more attention, and they even plan to call it out on nutrition labels.

Here is fructose from a grape or an apple:



and here is fructose from added sugar:



I looked at these for a long time, and can't see any difference.

My point is, that there's no difference, so why act as if added sugar is worse than regular sugar? Am I missing something? Adding sugar is bad, I get that, but all sugar is bad for you.

A recent report on NBC almost got it right. It said "So, a glass of freshly squeezed orange juice may be loaded with sugar." Can't figure out why they said "may be" instead of "is"--there's no mystery.
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If stuff is not sweet enough they add sugar.
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Fat was evil now it's not. We must be at war with someone, it's sugars turn to be the problem.

Does this sound familiar?
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that grapes and apples are bad because they have some sugars in them. On the other hand if you process grapes and apples to concentrate the sugars, then add that to other foods, that is likely a problem. The resulting sugar content is much higher than that naturally occuring in fruit.
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It's all "garp de jour"

I like margaritas. I make 'em with fresh squeezed lime juice (I squeeze 'em myself), tequila, Cointreau and Grand Marnier.

The variable is the limes. Sometimes they are sweeter than others. So I add "agave sweetener", hey, it's cactus juice eh? To taste. More than once as tasting shows.

I also like sugar in my coffee. Rocket science.
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Adding it to the labels is stupid, IMO. The label already contains the amount of sugar, and since (as you've noted) fructose is fructose, the only thing that counts is the total number of grams. I guess if someone is totally ignorant and doesn't realize they can eat a peach (see what I did there?) and get a lot less sugar than eating a can of peaches, it might be useful. But I suspect anyone that ignorant isn't going to put two and two together just from seeing "added sugar" on the label.
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Looking at my normal breakfast it's ~33 grams of natural sugar, mostly a banana, berries, honey and milk. A can of coke is 39 grams of added sugar all from corn.

Many high in added sugar foods are very poor nutritionally. Lot of empty calories.
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Adding it to the labels is stupid, IMO. The label already contains the amount of sugar, and since (as you've noted) fructose is fructose, the only thing that counts is the total number of grams. ...
Agreed. In fact, the 'added sugar' label then makes things more confusing rather than less.

If a serving of something has 33 grams of sugar, it has 33 grams of sugar. But someone might look at something with 20 grams of sugar, see the 'added sugar' label, and grab something with 33 grams instead.

I seem to recall seeing labels ' no sugar added' - but the ingredients list "concentrated grape juice" or even "concentrated sugar cane juice" - but no 'added sugar'!

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They are the same but some (many?) people try to limit the obvious sugars they eat but get massive amounts in foods that might otherwise seem healthy but have large doses of added sugars to increase palatability. What you don't know can't hurt you.
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There are lots of articles online on this topic. Just one Is Sugar From Fruit Better For You Than White Sugar?
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Sugar ia not a bad thing per se; as always, the dosage is the "poison". In an era when many people are getting much more sugar than is healthy, yeah, added sugar is a health concern. That said, something with 20g or "natural" sugars and something with 10g of "natural" sugar and 10g added are basically equivalent.
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Grapes and apples processed into alcoholic beverages can develop a really high sugar content, yet I seldom see ER forum posters talking about cutting out those things. No, it's always about cutting out bread, potatoes, doughnuts, and limiting fruit, because of the terrible CARBS!

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Grapes and apples processed into alcoholic beverages can develop a really high sugar content, yet I seldom see ER forum posters talking about cutting out those things. No, it's always about cutting out bread, potatoes, doughnuts, and limiting fruit, because of the terrible CARBS!

Just messin' with you all...can't help myself ;^>
Heh. But unlike sugar, there are differences with carbs and fats in terms of what it does to the body. Fats, of course, can be saturated or unsaturated. And carbs, while they all have the same calorie content so in that sense "a carb is a carb is a carb", in terms of how it impacts blood sugar and appetite, some carbs are "better" or "worse" than other carbs, particularly for diabetics.
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Yes, people make that point frequently...just look at the recent "fatness" threads...

but what about alcohol's effects on diabetics, weight, etc..... rarely does anyone speak up about it...it's almost like it's taboo.

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And carbs, while they all have the same calorie content so in that sense "a carb is a carb is a carb", in terms of how it impacts blood sugar and appetite, some carbs are "better" or "worse" than other carbs, particularly for diabetics.
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The difference is between a naturally occurring sugar and added sugar which might have been processed with chemicals. Honey is my natural sweetener of choice. It has many other ingredients that can be beneficial rather than harmful.
And it tastes sweeter than the equivalent amount of processed sugar of various kinds.
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Grapes and apples processed into alcoholic beverages can develop a really high sugar content, yet I seldom see ER forum posters talking about cutting out those things. No, it's always about cutting out bread, potatoes, doughnuts, and limiting fruit, because of the terrible CARBS!

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Not sure what you are saying. Fermenting turns sugars into alcohols, and often, almost all the sugar is converted (as in a dry wine).

Unless you are talking about the weight gain effect of the alcohol itself. But, but, but... many studies indicate that 1-2 drinks daily is healthy for men, ~ 1 /day for women (assuming no alcohol related issues with the individual). So I assume any included sugars and alcohol are part of what is good.

And of course, I automatically consider any studies to the contrary to be flawed, biased, statistically insignificant, etc.

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That's what I assume about everything I really, really like

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So I assume any included sugars and alcohol are part of what is good.

And of course, I automatically consider any studies to the contrary to be flawed, biased, statistically insignificant, etc.

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The difference is between a naturally occurring sugar and added sugar which might have been processed with chemicals. Honey is my natural sweetener of choice. It has many other ingredients that can be beneficial rather than harmful.
And it tastes sweeter than the equivalent amount of processed sugar of various kinds.
As far as sweetness, honey has the same glucose/fructose ratio as the often vilified "high fructose corn syrup".

Is there any scientific evidence that the 'many other ingredients' in honey are beneficial? Is there really enough bees wings and legs, and traces of pollen and bees wax to have an effect?

I don't use much in the way of sweeteners myself, but honey can be a very tasty thing on some foods, on occasion. And the 'real', and less refined grades of maple syrup.

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