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Old 01-16-2009, 05:22 PM   #81
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Wow. So many responses.

We chose not to circumcise our son because:
1. It's not medically necessary.
2. It causes pain and has a risk of disfigurement (and since it's not medically necessary...)
3. We believe that it's not right for us to make irreversible, elective medical decisions for our children. (Not in the same ballpark, but we're not going to pierce our daughter's ears for the same reason).

As far as the HIV transmission issue, yes, the research shows that circumcised men have lower HIV infection and transmission rates than intact men. Among the population studied, however, condoms are often out of reach financially or simply unavailable. That's not the case in the US and many developed nations. I expect my children to use condoms until they're in monogamous relationships; that's the HIV protection I'll be giving them.

And if our son wants a circumcision when he's older, we'll foot the bill.
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Old 01-16-2009, 05:46 PM   #82
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Amazing how much interest this post gathered.
Not amazing to me! It seems to be a subject on which everyone has a passionate opinion, especially men.
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Old 01-16-2009, 05:48 PM   #83
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It's the catchy title. Turns out to be a bit more controversial than I would have guessed. I do appreciate all the responses though. I think we'll likely take the good Canadian doctors advice of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Seems like solid medical advice.
Wow. I"ve saved a foreskin in Estonia!

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For me, this is one of the dumbest subject I have seen in a long time. As Rich has said, 'it appears it is a personal family choice'

I don't know nor have I heard of any circumcised male lamenting 'If only my parents had not mutilated me when I was a child'. Likewise, I have not heard, 'Wow, I sure wish I was cut like that guy over there. It would have been nice if my parents had cared enough when I was little'. It seems almost as ridiculous as one party trying to convince another that Chocolate Ice Cream is really better than Vanilla.
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Wow. I"ve saved a foreskin in Estonia!

Two thumbs up! OK, maybe one...
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....reason eight hundred billion not to have children....we just have to get the dogs neutered, for pete's sakes!
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....reason eight hundred billion not to have children....we just have to get the dogs neutered, for pete's sakes!
Well, apparently, they'll be able to be promiscuous, without getting AIDS, so long as they aren't gay.
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See how easy it is to have dogs compared to kids, Trek!
We don't even have to worry about any of that stuff.

Now the sheep...she has decided that climbing all 20 stairs to the front door and waiting for me to come out with some saltine crackers is a good idea. I just know she is going to break her ancient legs one of these times! She gives me plenty to worry about!
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I am glad I am not single today.
Condoms don't prevent transmission of HPV, thought to be highly associated with cervical cancer. HPV is also associated with squamous cell carcinoma of the tonsils and oral sex. Promiscuity in today's world is risky, despite "safe" sexual practices.
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Condoms don't prevent transmission of HPV, thought to be highly associated with cervical cancer. HPV is also associated with squamous cell carcinoma of the tonsils and oral sex. Promiscuity in today's world is risky, despite "safe" sexual practices.
In spite of the fact that a large % of women have some HPV or another, and the whole world is going downtown daily, I haven't heard of an outbreak of sqauamous cell ca of the tonsils.

Are you really sure this is something to worry about?

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In spite of the fact that a large % of women have some HPV or another, and the whole world is going downtown daily, I haven't heard of an outbreak of sqauamous cell ca of the tonsils.
Of all cancers, this one comprises about 3.3% in the US. HPV is responsible for 15 to 35 percent of head and neck squamous cell cancers worldwide, perhaps less in the US. Smoking and alcohol are common co-factors in many cases. When I was in training, this was almost always a smoker's disease.

It occurs in about 1:5000 people annually, mostly males (4:1) In the United States. African-Americans have a higher incidence probably due to a higher rate of use of the other known risks.


Something to lose sleep over? Not so much but if you have the risks - and especially if HPV is present, you'd do well to fix them.
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NEJM -- Human Papillomaviruses in Head and Neck Carcinomas

Human Papillomaviruses in Head and Neck Carcinomas



...Data presented by D'Souza and colleagues11 suggest that sexual behavior is associated with oropharyngeal cancer, as has been suggested previously.7,9 In their study, a high lifetime number of vaginal- or oral-sex partners was associated with the presence of oropharyngeal cancer, and the degree of association increased with an increasing number of vaginal- or oral-sex partners. Transmission of the virus by direct oral contact or by other means could not be excluded, however. In a study that my colleagues and I performed, involving married couples with healthy oral mucosa (sampling at baseline and at months 2, 6, 12, 24, and 36), the results suggested that the oral route is an important means of HPV transmission between partners: one spouse had a 10-fold risk of acquiring persistent oral HPV infection if the other spouse had persistent oral HPV infection.14 Oral sex was not associated with oral or genital HPV infection in these studies, and oral HPV infection in one spouse was unrelated to genital HPV infection in the other spouse.14 In our study and in the study by D'Souza and colleagues, however, the patients were different: the couples we studied were younger and had no evidence of clinical lesions in the oropharynx, whereas those in the study by D'Souza and colleagues were older patients who had oropharyngeal cancer.11
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NEJM -- Human Papillomaviruses in Head and Neck Carcinomas

Oral sex was not associated with oral or genital HPV infection in these studies, and oral HPV infection in one spouse was unrelated to genital HPV infection in the other spouse.14
So, if my befuddled brain has this right, you can get head and neck cancer from making out, but not from oral sex.

Isn't this a thread about saving foreskins?
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So, if my befuddled brain has this right, you can get head and neck cancer from making out, but not from oral sex.

Isn't this a thread about saving foreskins?
Tell your teenagers- skip the necking, go for the gold. Isn't science wonderful?

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Tell your teenagers- skip the necking, go for the gold. Isn't science wonderful?

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The alternative take-home message is: use a dental dam while making out. Oooh, sexy!
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Wow. So many responses.

We chose not to circumcise our son because:
1. It's not medically necessary.
2. It causes pain and has a risk of disfigurement (and since it's not medically necessary...)
3. We believe that it's not right for us to make irreversible, elective medical decisions for our children. (Not in the same ballpark, but we're not going to pierce our daughter's ears for the same reason).

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And if our son wants a circumcision when he's older, we'll foot the bill.
You know he's going to want his ears pierced too....
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You know he's going to want his ears pierced too....
Or other body parts.....
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Or other body parts.....
I'm up for him getting his ears pierced. As for other body parts, I think I'll use the line my mom used on my brother.

"Sure, you can get a piercing. But I get to choose where on your body it goes."

To date, he has no piercings (and is over 30). Tattoos, well, that's another story.
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Or other body parts.....
Not if it has been cut off
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