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Old 11-01-2015, 07:28 PM   #81
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Old 11-05-2015, 04:44 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by ERD50 View Post
What do you cure it with? AFAIK, it is the nitrates that are the carcinogenic concern. And, AFAIK, most curing involves nitrates (maybe some use only sodium?), even the 'uncured' meats that use some celery derived product.

According to this:

The Nitrate and Nitrite Myth: Another Reason not to Fear Bacon

In fact, the study that originally connected nitrates with cancer risk and caused the scare in the first place has since been discredited after being subjected to a peer review. There have been major reviews of the scientific literature that found no link between nitrates or nitrites and human cancers, or even evidence to suggest that they may be carcinogenic. Further, recent research suggests that nitrates and nitrites may not only be harmless, they may be beneficial, especially for immunity and heart health. Confused yet? Let’s explore this issue further.

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Old 11-05-2015, 04:57 PM   #83
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Another interesting related article:

Know Your Risks, but Meat Still Isn’t the Enemy

I wrote about red meat here at The Upshot back in March, focusing mostly on the cardiovascular risks, rather than the cancer risks. But I still highlighted and discussed some key studies, including one that found that eating meat, especially processed meat, was associated with increased cancer and mortality in people age 50-65. As I said, it also found that the opposite was true in people over 65 years, but that gets mostly ignored.
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Respondents aged 50-65 reporting high protein intake had a 75% increase in overall mortality and a 4-fold increase in cancer death risk during the following 18 years. These associations were either abolished or attenuated if the proteins were plant derived. Conversely, high protein intake was associated with reduced cancer and overall mortality in respondents over 65, but a 5-fold increase in diabetes mortality across all ages. Mouse studies confirmed the effect of high protein intake and GHR-IGF-1 signaling on the incidence and progression of breast and melanoma tumors, but also the detrimental effects of a low protein diet in the very old. These results suggest that low protein intake during middle age followed by moderate to high protein consumption in old adults may optimize healthspan and longevity.
Low protein intake is associated with a major reduction in IGF-1, cancer, and overall mortality in the 65 and younger but not older population. - PubMed - NCBI

So – I'll start binging on bacon after I turn 65, LOL! Oh, wait - what about the diabetes!
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Old 11-05-2015, 05:37 PM   #84
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I think we need to recall why processed meats were used in the old days. The processed meats were needed because of a lack of refrigeration. Bacon and Hams could be cured and left (at least at winter temps) in cool places until needed. So clearly processing meat is bad for at least some spoilage organisms, as it keeps them from spoiling the meat. In addition to smoking of course you also salted meat such as salt pork.
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My grandparents ran a mixed subsistence farm. Fresh meat consisted of chickens, and fish and game when they had time. But in those years coming out of the war everything was over hunted and over fished. We had fresh pork in the late fall when hogs were being killed, mostly stuff like liver and kidneys that would not keep when cured. The rest of the hog became ham, bacon and sausage, all of which was salted and smoked. There was occasional veal when a dairy cow was freshened. If an old cow was killed the meat was mostly cooked and canned, to later be served in a soup.

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Originally Posted by W2R View Post
Let's see, I'm 67 already and cancer free so far (knock on wood).

Statistically, I probably have another 15-20 years left. If anyone thinks I am going to completely eliminate bacon, hot dogs, and red meat for the rest of my life, for fear of getting cancer, then I'd like to sell them a bridge.

I believe that too much of any one food is probably not so good, and conversely getting a variety of different foods in one's diet is a healthy thing to do. And that includes red meat, hot dogs, and bacon, along with many other types of foods. Even the occasional jalapeno once in a blue moon. .
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