Blood Pressure

It was the mods that took it off track 🤣🤣

You men one of these folks?

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Yes and it's a good topic.

I hope the OP will share their longer term results. I'm definitely interested. I'm on metoprolol and and dizzy from it, talked to my pharmacist today, who suggested talking with my doc. I'd love to find a tried method of naturally lowering my BP, with my docs supervision.

Strange how this stuff works as I am on the same med for 10 years and have no side effects.
 
Strange how this stuff works as I am on the same med for 10 years and have no side effects.

Not ten years, more like two, but I've been on metoprolol for a while and no side effects that I can tell.
 
After ten years on the ER forum, I detect a typical haywire Forum reaction when somebody chides a poster, and those who were trying to help you (the ones who aren't actually MDs) all feel somewhat chided by extension.

I was very interested in the discussion, especially about potassium vs. sodium.

OP here, I think this thread is off track. i had meant it as a serious discussion but it has gone haywire. Mods, please close the thread.
 
Strange how this stuff works as I am on the same med for 10 years and have no side effects.
I know. I was on it many years ago and had no problems. But stuff changes!

I was on atenolol for 20 years. My heart rate was always 55, until it was 35. I didn't feel very well at 35. Kinda like I was dying. When it read 35, I was in the ER with a bunch of people eagerly looking at me(kinda like I was dying). It was a very high stress situation, still my heart thinks it's in a coma.

That's something I like about metoprolol, my heart rate runs very much in the middle of "normal". At rest it's 65, and it runs up nicely while I'm on the treadmill.
 
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I know. I was on it many years ago and had no problems. But stuff changes!

I was on atenolol for 20 years. My heart rate was always 55, until it was 35. I didn't feel very well at 35. Kinda like I was dying. When it read 35, I was in the ER with a bunch of people eagerly looking at me(kinda like I was dying). It was a very high stress situation, still my heart thinks it's in a coma.

That's something I like about metoprolol, my heart rate runs very much in the middle of "normal". At rest it's 65, and it runs up nicely while I'm on the treadmill.

Were you on the lowest dose of the med?

In my case I'm on the lowest dose of Lisinopril to get down from about 139/75/55 to more like 129/75/55. But I have only been on this for a few months now.
 
Were you on the lowest dose of the med?

In my case I'm on the lowest dose of Lisinopril to get down from about 139/75/55 to more like 129/75/55. But I have only been on this for a few months now.

No. The hospital and cardiology department ripped me off beta blockers and to Lisinopril. That was ok, until I lost 55 pounds and had to go off of it and all other meds. Unfortunately when I moved to 7500' my BP changed. Perhaps my diet changed too?

Now I'm on metoprolol and dizzy. Is that because of metoprolol? I don't really know(I only take two meds, both make you dizzy). I'm not going off of BP meds without my doc's permission. I'd rather be dizzy than dead!

Thanks to this thread I've been taking daily reading's and recording them. My BP isn't low(61M 125/82 avg), but unlike hypertension there is no standard definition for hypotension.🤣

Perhaps, despite the numbers, I'm over medicated?
 
This is really interesting. You doctor with years of experience suggests medication for BP issues which can cause a stroke, heart attack and heart failure and you choose to come on a financial site to get advice from people who could be accountants, taxi drivers, teachers, computer scientists. Notice none of them have an MD next to their name. Do you ask your doctor about accounting, computer issues? Do you ask him for taxi rides around town? :)

Actually, I have gotten plenty of horrible advice from MD's over the years, so having an MD next to the name is no assurance that you will get good advice. Blindly following the advice of anyone regarding what medications to put into your body (without also researching it yourself) is not a great idea, IMO. And I think the OP is basically asking for the experiences of others, not necessarily medical advice. I've asked for the experience of others on this site before (re. medical issues), and I've gotten some pretty good feedback, which did help me make a decision.
 
Not ten years, more like two, but I've been on metoprolol for a while and no side effects that I can tell.

Same here. I've been on a very low-dose of metaprolol for about 15 months now, and have had no issues at all with it. It was actually prescribed originally to correct a slight irregular heartbeat that I had (which it did), but it also lowered my BP and pulse a little bit, which I guess I would call a positive side effect, if anything. BP used to be around 135/90 on average; now it's typically around 120-125/80.
 
Same here. I've been on a very low-dose of metaprolol for about 15 months now, and have had no issues at all with it. It was actually prescribed originally to correct a slight irregular heartbeat that I had (which it did), but it also lowered my BP and pulse a little bit, which I guess I would call a positive side effect, if anything. BP used to be around 135/90 on average; now it's typically around 120-125/80.

When you say very low dose, what exactly is it? I take 25 milligram tablets and I just assumed that was low dose.
 
What is wrong with taking meds for Hi BP , the alternative is awful . I refused to accept I had Hi BP for years and now have kidney disease . Hi BP destroys kidneys . A good friend had been taking meds and decided not to anymore ( yes dumb ) almost a year later he had a stroke , no longer rides a motorcycle he is in an electric chair and can't talk . I take 600mg of one tablet and 5mg of another . Last night my BP was 124 / 84 . Don't take a chance , you are not the smartest guy in the room on this . I trust the Doc's.


I take Losartan Potassium 600MG
I take Amlodipine Besylate 5MG
Seems to work
 
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Ah, well, stories from people that actually had high BP and ignored it is an absolute reason why someone without high BP should take meds without question. I withdraw all my previous comments in the face of this overwhelming argument.
 
I think there is no one answer for all. There is only one answer for you. No need to take a rigid stance on this.
 
My guess is the dosage vs body wgt may well be the issue with dizziness. my anecdotal contribution is this:

Ive taken valsartan for over a decade, going back to when the non-generic version Diovan was all I could get and at over $1 per dose (valsartan is dirt cheap now, like $1.22 for 90 doses). never had an issue (take 80 mg) until i began serious wgt loss last year Was dizzy for about a week until my body somehow adjusted. Will be seeing what happens as the wt loss hopefully continues and will discuss with dr at regular appt in June. Sooner if needed.
 
I don't see why there is a question of the new blood pressure ranges. It has all been explained quite nicely even in regular news media. What is confusing about it?

As for all the tricks to get a good blood pressure measurement, I think that is mostly for folks on the borderline which will always be a borderline. For instance, my blood pressure is usually low no matter whether I am sitting, standing, or agitated. It also doesn't matter whether I am at the doctor's office, at the dentist, or stretched out in pre-op for surgery.

Probably only if one has elevated blood pressure, does one need to do all the things to make a measurement proper. Or maybe if the reading says you are already dead, you will want to check your technique, too.
 
The regular news media regularly misreports science. Let's see what the medical community has to say.

The Cochrane Collaboration is one of the most highly respected organizations in evaluating medical research. Here's what the Cochrane Collaboration had to say in 2017:

At the present time there is insufficient evidence to know whether a higher BP target (less than150 to 160/95 to 105 mmHg) or a lower BP target (less than 140/90 mmHg) is better for older adults with high BP.​

Also in 2017:

Antihypertensive medicines for adults aged 18 to 59 years with raised blood pressure have a small beneficial effect to reduce stroke. However, death due to all-causes and heart attack were not reduced and withdrawals due to side effects were increased.​

And, again, in 2017:

No evidence of a difference in total mortality and serious adverse events was found between treating to a lower or to a standard blood pressure target in people with hypertension and cardiovascular disease. This suggests no net health benefit from a lower systolic blood pressure target despite the small absolute reduction in total cardiovascular serious adverse events. There was very limited evidence on adverse events, which lead to high uncertainty. At present there is insufficient evidence to justify lower blood pressure targets (≤ 135/85 mmHg) in people with hypertension and established cardiovascular disease. More trials are needed to answer this question.​

The Cochrane Collaboration had this to say in 2012:

Antihypertensive drugs used in the treatment of adults (primary prevention) with mild hypertension (systolic BP 140-159 mmHg and/or diastolic BP 90-99 mmHg) have not been shown to reduce mortality or morbidity in RCTs. Treatment caused 9% of patients to discontinue treatment due to adverse effects. More RCTs are needed in this prevalent population to know whether the benefits of treatment exceed the harms.​

It is widely believed, based on the Framingham study, that there is a linear relationship between blood pressure and mortality risk. In 2000 a group of medical statisticians re-analysed the original data which underpinned the log-linear model and they concluded the following:

Shockingly, we have found that the Framingham data in no way supported the current paradigm to which they gave birth. In fact…. The paradigm MUST be false.​

So, you see, the matter is not settled. It is very likely that millions of people are being treated with no benefit, other than psychological.
 
Personally I do not have the expertise nor the inclination to wade into the various studies and opinions to arrive at a conclusion on BP meds.

It is very difficult to determine if some of us are being selective or thorough in our quoting of various sources. Note I am not saying any one of us has impure motives. We all mean well.

So I'd take all these posts will a grain of salt. Of course, my posts are the exception. :rolleyes:;)
 
Thanks for posting that, msieweke. I don't think there is anything more authoritative than a Cochrane report.
 
Yes and it's a good topic.

I hope the OP will share their longer term results. I'm definitely interested. I'm on metoprolol and and dizzy from it, talked to my pharmacist today, who suggested talking with my doc. I'd love to find a tried method of naturally lowering my BP, with my docs supervision.

I have been on 25 mg metoprolol once a day for 9 years and for me it is terrific. The fact that it's a generic (and very cheap) is pleasing. But also no dizziness or other side effects and my BP is amazing. Lately I have been taking my BP each morning upon awakening just out of curiousity. My average systolic this week has been 110, and my average diastolic has been 68.

I have had side effects with many/most of my other medications, but not this one. Side effects are awful and such an individual thing so if you are feeling dizzy from it, I agree that you need to see your doctor about that. He might switch you to another medication. Also you might want to just not drive until you see him about it, just to play it safe.
 
I have been on 25 mg metoprolol once a day for 9 years and for me it is terrific. The fact that it's a generic (and very cheap) is pleasing. But also no dizziness or other side effects and my BP is amazing. Lately I have been taking my BP each morning upon awakening just out of curiousity. My average systolic this week has been 110, and my average diastolic has been 68.

I have had side effects with many/most of my other medications, but not this one. Side effects are awful and such an individual thing so if you are feeling dizzy from it, I agree that you need to see your doctor about that. He might switch you to another medication. Also you might want to just not drive until you see him about it, just to play it safe.
Thank you.

I'm seeing a specialist(urologist) who may be able to help. I'm also on tamsulosin, it's an alpha blocker and can make you dizzy. I assume it lowers BP too. While my Orman doesn't suggest low numbers(128/82 last reading) I'm going to keep recording it. Perhaps I haven't calibrated my machine. The time I remember bringing it in I had tachycardia, nurse had other ideas about priority(EKG).

Even though my numbers don't suggest low BP, it sure feels like when my last PCP took me off of them. I will not do that on my own, someone who has an MD after their name will advise me on the procedure. Last time I self advised on BP meds the EMTs were called. I OD'ed on the exact BP meds and dosage I'd taken a year prior.

I'll ask DW if she wants to drive more. If this is my last ever post you'll know her answer. 🙂[emoji111]
 
While my Orman doesn't suggest low numbers(128/82 last reading) I'm going to keep recording it.

I think Suze generally suggests you get the highest numbers possible, so just keep working. :LOL:

OTOH, the Omron line of BP monitors are usually regarded as pretty good. :flowers:
 

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