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Old 03-01-2011, 07:34 PM   #21
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This reminds me of this thing that looks like a medieval torture machine and costs:

$14,615 !!



It claims you only need four minutes per day.

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Not everyone should use every machine; our bodies are better adapted to some than others. I once hurt my shoulder using a behind the neck Hammer-Strength machine, and it was 18 months before I really could leave it behind. For a long time it woke me at night with shoulder pain. One excellent thing about machines (other than the automatic spotting which is critical if you must lift alone) is one can easily use a very powerful technique called reverse pyramid. You do a short (say 8 rep) warm up with a light weight, then move to the heaviest weight you can handle for 4-6 reps, and immediately drop weight the minimum step and do 5-6 more, etc until you have done many reps. Next do the same thing with your next exercise, etc.

With respect to HIT specifically, several NFL strength coaches have at one time or another used this, but to the best of my knowledge the great majority of NFL teams use multiple sets of more rapid lifts. Of course their needs are very different from those of a middle aged guy trying to stay healthy and fit. Not to mention they have someone cracking the whip and paying them for performance.

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Interesting comments - I agree that one must in some way enjoy what they are doing, however, that could be during the time of the exercise or the effects of it. I guess from being a fairly serious swimmer in high school as well as being involved in other sports, I trained my mind to deal with the 'un-fun' aspects of training - I was comfortable with the discipline.

I'm still in the military Reserves and still have a fitness test every year that I must pass - and I am incentivized to meet a certain score to ensure having to take the test only once a year - discipline helps play into the ability to keep passing. I'm no uber athlete, but I'm strong enough.

The reason I like the HIT/HIIT approach is it shortens the time of 'pain' and yet still gives results.....

That's not to say I don't also include fun stuff - that is important to my mental well- being as much as to my physical well-being
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I bought a machine similar to this for $45 off of Craigslist.
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HF, you got real deal! Do you drive a pickup?

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HF, you got real deal! Do you drive a pickup?

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That would be hard to move even with a pickup, it seems to me! He'd have to tie it down pretty securely. It sure wouldn't fit in an SUV. Maybe it comes apart. Definitely a good deal if he doesn't mind moving it.

I looked at a home gym at Dick's Sporting Goods yesterday with a price that was barely more than the exorbitant cost for delivery.
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Very interesting thread - thanks for posting.

I am still in the situation where I enjoy exercise and the "highs" that come with it. I also like variety so even if it was certain that I could get away with one intense weight lifting session per week as described, I'd still continue with my current regime - at least for now.
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Today at the gym I thought about the high intensity stuff. It turns out that it's easier to think about in the comfort of home, than when actually in the process of lifting something that is already pretty challenging.

I decided that to me, the idea succeeding at a challenging lift is fun. ("I *did* it!) But the idea of adding enough weight to get to where I couldn't possibly move it was majorly icky and would take away a lot of my fun.

So, I decided that high intensity training is not for me. Carry on, guys!
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Today at the gym I thought about the high intensity stuff. It turns out that it's easier to think about in the comfort of home, than when actually in the process of lifting something that is already pretty challenging.

I decided that to me, the idea succeeding at a challenging lift is fun. ("I *did* it!) But the idea of adding enough weight to get to where I couldn't possibly move it was majorly icky and would take away a lot of my fun.

So, I decided that high intensity training is not for me. Carry on, guys!
As usual, a woman cuts through a whole lot of BS.

Please carry on, and keep sharing with the testosterone damaged among us.

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As usual, a woman cuts through a whole lot of BS.

Please carry on, and keep sharing with the testosterone damaged among us.

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Aw, thanks!

I'm glad you guys didn't mind hearing a few female points of view on the topic.
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Hey Beavis, she said, majorly icky. Huh, huh, huh.
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I did the very slow lifting yesterday, and was only able to do about half my normal repetitions. Whole lotta shaking goin' on. It felt pretty good actually.
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I did the very slow lifting yesterday, and was only able to do about half my normal repetitions. Whole lotta shaking goin' on. It felt pretty good actually.
Did you take it to the point that you couldn't continue to move the weight? That part is the key. So far, two days after my first HIT set the book's predictions are accurate. I can still feel a degree of soreness in my muscles but not so much that it inhibits activity. I just returned from an hour spinning at the gym (too cold to get outside on the bike). The continuing soreness shows that the muscles were significantly stressed and are still recovering.
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Did you take it to the point that you couldn't continue to move the weight?
Yes. Instead of buying the book, I just relied on your statement: "continue until you can't move the weight at all for 10 seconds."
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Work to failure, or WTF , will require longer recovery times...
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Yes. Instead of buying the book, I just relied on your statement: "continue until you can't move the weight at all for 10 seconds."
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Work to failure, or WTF , will require longer recovery times...
HFWR is right Al. Don't run out and do it again tomorrow. The book is adamant that the research shows that for the average person about once a week is optimal. If you are going back on the weights sooner at least don't push it to failure for a week.
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Do you get the feeling that good compromise between YNY and BBS is one day a week of slow burn, work to failure weight lifting, and then five days of long-slow aerobics, or does that violate the BBS ideas?

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Sat: Slow burn WTF weight lifting
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Wed: Normal weight lifting
Thurs: Run
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Do you get the feeling that good compromise between YNY and BBS is one day a week of slow burn, work to failure weight lifting, and then five days of long-slow aerobics, or does that violate the BBS ideas?

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My feeling is that would be optimal, but only when the moon is in the 7th house, and Mercury aligns with Mars...

But of course yfmv.

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My "feeling" is that would be optimal, but only when the moon is in the 7th house, and Mercury aligns with Mars...

But of course yfmv.

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My feeling exactly In fact I intend to do just that. But I wish there was some easy way to get Doc McGuff to address it in detail.

Edit: I forgot to mention the BBS people don't like running for most people. They think that it damages the joints over the long run.
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