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Old 11-22-2011, 05:35 PM   #41
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One thing to note: there are a lot more old drunks than old doctors.

Just sayin'
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:05 AM   #42
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Yes, it's a good bet that Bill Clinton and Robin Williams are following the advice of their doctors, and it's a good bet that they each have the best doctor that money and power can buy. So, maybe I'm wrong and they are right.
Money and power will most likely get you the very best conventionally trained and famous professionals. Weirdly, the nutritional high ground these days combines ideas from "saving the planet", "feeding the world", "protecting animal rights", etc with optimal nutrition. This has led to a vegetarian bias in dietary recommendations.

Unfortunately, only a small percentage of the population can tolerate a vegetarian diet which tends to be around 65-70% carbohydrate (or even a government approved food pyramid diet which is 50-60% carbs); however, it makes good press. Also, it provides physicians a large patient population.
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Also, it provides physicians a large patient population.
What a naughty suggestion!
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Old 11-23-2011, 11:32 AM   #44
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Branded - PREDIABETIC

Boo hoo

I was diagnosed as a T2 over a decade ago.

For those that don't know, you are usually entering the diabetic stage (e.g. T2) a decade before you are acutally diagnosed as such.

That means that I've been in the "T2 arena" for over two decades, or more than a generation.

Just because you are diabetic, it dosen't mean a "death sentance", IMHO...

There is a lot more to fear in this world than a simple health challange.

Just from one who has "been there - still there", and is still managing (successfully) the health challange...

BTW, I was able to manage "the challange" for more than a decade by just exercise and diet, with my lowest A1C at 4.7. For those that know, T2 is a "progressive" situation, and I've started meds just within the last 30 days (Metformin), which has dropped my overnight numbers to around 110 (much better, than the 180 I was at over a decade ago, when I was diagnosed).

Being that I'm in my mid-60's, I'm happy with my progress, thus far.

Just my $.02 on the discussion at hand.
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Old 11-23-2011, 09:33 PM   #45
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One thing to note: there are a lot more old drunks than old doctors.

Just sayin'
I don't think anyone who is a hospital nurse or who has friends who are, would make that statement. End stage liver disease in their 40's or 50's gets a lot of alcoholics, and it is not a nice way to go. I don't mean to be argumentative, but I wouldn't want anyone to think that getting drunk regularly is good for their health, after witnessing the sad aftermath.
P.S. I get that you were only joking, Nuiloa, but any alcoholics that read this, should not get reinforcement for their delusion.
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Old 02-26-2012, 11:07 PM   #46
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Years ago, when I still thought low carbers were crazy, I had a cholesterol test coming up. As you know I like to experiment on myself, so for three weeks prior to the test, I became a vegetarian. My numbers were worse than before.[/QUOTE]


Sorry for jumping in here, but your pix are comparing white refined sugar to whole fruit sugar, quite a different story and going vegetarian just means cutting out meat. If you increase the amount of sugar/caffeine/dairy/processed foods at the same time you will not see good results.
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Sorry for jumping in here, but your pix are comparing white refined sugar to whole fruit sugar, quite a different story and going vegetarian just means cutting out meat. If you increase the amount of sugar/caffeine/dairy/processed foods at the same time you will not see good results.
Fruit sugar and white refined sugar are equivalent.



Fructose is fruit sugar, and is shown on the upper right.

Sucrose is table sugar, and is shown on the bottom. Sucrose consists of a glucose section and a fructose section bonded together. As soon as the table sugar hits the stomach, the bond between those two sections is broken.
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Fruit sugar and white refined sugar are equivalent.



Fructose is fruit sugar, and is shown on the upper right.

Sucrose is table sugar, and is shown on the bottom. Sucrose consists of a glucose section and a fructose section bonded together. As soon as the table sugar hits the stomach, the bond between those two sections is broken.
But but but Al, fruits are NATURAL!
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Fruit sugar and white refined sugar are equivalent.

Fructose is fruit sugar, and is shown on the upper right.

Sucrose is table sugar, and is shown on the bottom. Sucrose consists of a glucose section and a fructose section bonded together. As soon as the table sugar hits the stomach, the bond between those two sections is broken.
Well you have your chemistry right. But I believe studies have shown that when one eats a fruit the dietary fiber slows the absorption of the fructose so it does not give the same "sugar spike" that eating refined sugar does.
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Well you have your chemistry right. But I believe studies have shown that when one eats a fruit the dietary fiber slows the absorption of the fructose so it does not give the same "sugar spike" that eating refined sugar does.
You are correct, and it may be true that avoiding that spike is important. I'm just not convinced that the absorption is slowed that dramatically, or that a long slow increase in blood sugar is much less harmful than a spike.

So eating one medium apple is roughly equivalent to eating 5 teaspoons of sugar, 1 teaspoon of Metamucil, a small amount of water, and one fiftieth of a vitamin C pill.

Perhaps there's something magical about eating a real apple as opposed to those ingredients. A lot of people believe that. For me, it's not worth the risk.
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Perhaps there's something magical about eating a real apple as opposed to those ingredients. A lot of people believe that. For me, it's not worth the risk.
I guess that debunks "An apple a day keeps the doctor away"

Next you'll be telling us that a stitch in time saves closer to 3 or 4.........

PS - this comment was made in a rather off-the-cuff fashion. No offense intended to anyone who is having to deal with diabetic tendencies.
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I would like to ask a question that I hope is germane. The title says the OP was "branded" pre-diabetic. I know this has to do with pre-existing conditions and health insurance. So my question is: Is there never any going back, once branded? Or can a person ever un-brand himself?

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I would like to ask a question that I hope is germane. The title says the OP was "branded" pre-diabetic. I know this has to do with pre-existing conditions and health insurance. So my question is: Is there never any going back, once branded? Or can a person ever un-brand himself?

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There are really two questions here: Can you get your blood sugars back to the non-prediabetic state, and if so, will the insurance company recognize you as non-prediabetic?

My take is that it's true that you can improve your numbers with diet, but if you go back to the old diet, the numbers may be bad again. I wouldn't consider that reversing the condition.

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If they can eliminate that fat by exercising and limiting carbohydrates and alcohol, then many can drop their glucose levels. And for some, they can drop them back into the normal range.

This is also true for people who are prediabetic. According to the CDC, 79 million Americans are prediabetic, which means their glucose readings fall between 100 and 125 while fasting. According to the American Diabetes Association, normal glucose readings are 100 and below when a person has not eaten anything. Numbers above 125 while fasting are considered to be in the diabetic range. So when you're prediabetic, it's easier to turn those numbers around. And that's important, because once you become a diabetic, even if you drop your numbers, you will always be classified as a diabetic, making it difficult to acquire good insurance.
"Once you fall into that glucose range, you are considered at high risk for developing the condition again," says Magee.
Here's an article
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I was a prediabetic and have dropped substantially below that level and if tested, today, would not register as a pre-diabetic. Here is the challenge; My Doc wants me to continue with Metformin, a diabetic drug. So, I'm a former "pre" and remaining on drugs as a precaution.

Since the drugs are cheap, my medical insurance doesn't increase and my next health insurance will be Medicare, it doesn't matter to me. What does matter is controlling the disease that has killed my father and some of my closest friends. I haven't had any problems since I was diagnosed, then started excercising, gave up most processed sugars and lost 45 lbs. If I can continue this way I'll have it beat......Yeh, and many of you can do it as well. For me at least, diet, excercise and cutting out processed sugars worked......I'm thankful it did.
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Why hemoglobin A1c is not a reliable marker
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Why hemoglobin A1c is not a reliable marker

I don't know if this applies or not to your specific case. But it's worth reading.

Why hemoglobin A1c is not a reliable marker

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The theory behind the A1c test is that our red blood cells live an average of three months, so if we measure the amount of sugar stuck to these cells (which is what the hemoglobin A1c test does), it will give us an idea of how much sugar has been in the blood over the previous three months. The number reported in the A1c test result (i.e. 5.2) indicates the percentage of hemoglobin that has become glycated (stuck to sugar).
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While this sounds good in theory, the reality is not so black and white. The main problem is that there is actually a wide variation in how long red blood cells survive in different people. This study, for example, shows that red blood cells live longer than average at normal blood sugars. Researchers found that the lifetime of hemoglobin cells of diabetics turned over in as few as 81 days, while they lived as long as 146 days in non-diabetics.
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In a person with normal blood sugar, hemoglobin will be around for a lot longer, which means it will accumulate more sugar. This will drive up the A1c test result – but it doesn’t mean that person had too much sugar in their blood. It just means their hemoglobin lived longer and thus accumulated more sugar.
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