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Old 08-02-2007, 06:39 AM   #21
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Milton, I understand your objections and agree that the type of stereotyping you imply is very unwelcomed. But I don't think that was Meadbh's intention in the original comment.

I interpreted her to mean that it's not just stereotypic WASPs who can be workaholics, but that other strata are capable of falling into the same trap. That is, the old "workaholic/WASP" sterotype is are not valid - workaholism can affect any group.

Meadbh is more than capable of speaking for herself, and I appreciate your intent in raising the warning flag but my take is that perhaps you misinterpreted Meadbh's point. Well-intended nonetheless.

Where I work, the workaholics divide pretty evenly among the various gender, ethnic, and age groups. They're all crazy .

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Old 08-02-2007, 06:52 AM   #22
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I don't want to jump-start a brawl about whether women or minorities have a more difficult time being succesful in academic or any other career, but a panel from the National Academy of Science did find this to be the case for academic science and enginerering.

The report, "Beyond Bias and Barriers: Fullfilling the Potential of Women in Academic Science and Engineering" cites research demonstrating that woman are paid less, promoted more slowly, bypassed for honors, and subjected to implicit gender bias from both their male and female colleagues. It also states that "although scientists like to believe that they choose the best based on objective criteria, decisions are influenced by factors including biases about race, sex, geographic location of a university and age that have nothing to do with the quality of the person or work being evaluated." It is an interesting report and consistant with my own observations.

My link to a commentary on the report published in Science wouldn't work in this thread, but the comment is published in 2006 Science Vol 313 page 1712.

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Old 08-02-2007, 09:21 AM   #23
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Thank you for the thoughtful reply.

Meadbh seems like a decent person, and I have no desire to argue with her (or anyone else, for that matter). I accept that her comments were not meant to be deliberately offensive.

I simply wished to register an objection to stereotyping: which is almost always inaccurate, unhelpful and potentially hurtful. This is an excellent, friendly forum and I very much hope that it will escape the kind of pointless slanging matches that I have seen elsewhere.
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Milton, no offence was intended and I regret that your sensibilities were offended. I too have been offended from time to time on this forum and elsewhere.
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Observant people will load you up...
Or, as I like to say, no good deed goes unpunished. If you work hard, they'll just give you MORE work...

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...not doing anything of true substance...
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