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Old 10-04-2007, 10:09 AM   #21
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Here are some facts about the SCHIP renewal, which received bipartisan support:

Under the proposal, families of four earning about $60,000 a year would qualify for the program in most states - though in New York, families earning as much as $83,000 might enroll, but only if the Health and Human Services Department approves a waiver. Seventy to 80% of children in the program would be from families earning less than twice the poverty level ($20,650 for a family of four).

SCHIP is a grant program. States get money from the feds and then use the money to purchase private insurance. Each state has its own rules (like Medicaid). However, the feds have to approve the state plans.

If you want more facts, go here. It's a little long, but it gives a more balanced analysis than the stuff you get on Fox news.
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Thanks for the info and link.
$60K a year--families just scraping by! Nope, this certainly wasn't an expansion of the welfare state.
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U.S. National Debt Clock

I'm glad I will probably be dead when this bill comes due. I wonder what the debt collection telephone call will be like?

Hello, Ms/Mr. USA you need to start showing some effort in paying your bills. Have you thought about a garage sale this Saturday? Sell some things you aren't using - some of those parks - Yosemite - or monuments - Washington.

I think the baby boomer generation will be looked at as the debt generation.

The American Empire was a nice experiment while it lasted.
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That's the real issue...

That we can't pay for the entitlements that we have already promised. Let alone by adding more entitlements.
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SCHIP was never intended to cover "the poor".
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Bush also misstated the intent of the SCHIP program by claiming it "was meant to help poor children." That's false as well. Poor children, defined as those in families below the official federal poverty level, were already covered by Medicaid. The stated intent of Congress when it established the program in 1997 was to expand coverage beyond those who were poor to "uninsured low-income" children. And in Washington-speak, there's a significant difference between "poor" and "low-income."
SCHIP has bipartisan support. (Not much does these days). The funding for the expansion was going to be paid for by taxing cigarettes so it isn't more deficit spending. Taxing cigarettes may not appeal to you. Fine. If you don't like SCHIP and what it represents, fine. I happen to support the program. I read a lot of nonsense about SCHIP and most of it starts with the President.
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You are right on the $$$$.

The Congress and Old George W could have passed a bill in which the price of drugs would have been negotiated like it is done in the VA system. Instead they chose to stick it (once again)to the American people, while they lined their own pockets with lobbyist $$$$.

It's sad but true.
You must just hate ole George W.... he was not the driving force behind this bill... the guy who was was on 60 minutes and is now a paid lobbist for the drug companies.... W just signed it as requested by the Repubs...
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You must just hate ole George W.... he was not the driving force behind this bill... the guy who was was on 60 minutes and is now a paid lobbist for the drug companies.... W just signed it as requested by the Repubs...
That would be Billy Tauzin. If Mr. Bush wasn't the driving force, he certainly embraced it after he signed it.
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U.S. National Debt Clock

I'm glad I will probably be dead when this bill comes due. I wonder what the debt collection telephone call will be like?

Hello, Ms/Mr. USA you need to start showing some effort in paying your bills. Have you thought about a garage sale this Saturday? Sell some things you aren't using - some of those parks - Yosemite - or monuments - Washington.

I think the baby boomer generation will be looked at as the debt generation.

The American Empire was a nice experiment while it lasted.
Congress just up the limit to $9 trillion. We can pay if off today, it's
ONLY $30,000 a person. No worries, be happy.
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Nobody said the higher income families are getting anything for free - most states require a level of co-pay the higher the income.

What this does is jeopardize children's health, especially the low income kids who are currently benefiting from these programs until the politicos figure this political crap out. the state programs are built in coordination w/ the federal money so millions of kids are on the fence here...the new uninsured numbers will have to be retabulated if the congress can't get their crap together.
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You must just hate ole George W.... ..
Wags is not the only one -- Approval of Bush, Congress hits new low - Yahoo! News

I would like to know what the 31% who still approve of his job performance are smoking -- maybe they can send some of it to me.
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Can't you liberals see this would only encourage kids to get sick? It's like when Blackwater started paying for wrongful civilian causalities, people just wanted to get killed.

jk hold your fire.
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Can't you liberals see this would only encourage kids to get sick? It's like when Blackwater started paying for wrongful civilian causalities, people just wanted to get killed.

jk hold your fire.
Actually, we want children to have proper healthcare because we hate America.
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Wags is not the only one -- Approval of Bush, Congress hits new low - Yahoo! News

I would like to know what the 31% who still approve of his job performance are smoking -- maybe they can send some of it to me.

No... they are different .... just because someone does not approve of his job performance does not automatically go into 'hating' him. I do not approve of his performance (nor most of the Repubs that I thought would do a better job), but I don't hate them.... just dissappointed.

The liberals HATE ole W just like I hated Clinton, even though he (Clinton) did an OK job
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You must just hate ole George W.... he was not the driving force behind this bill... the guy who was was on 60 minutes and is now a paid lobbist for the drug companies.... W just signed it as requested by the Repubs...

Texas Proud the word HATE is a little harsh. For your information I do NOT HATE Old George W. What I do not like are HIS WARS, his Iraq War policies and some (not all) of his domestic policies. Afterall the varmint is not known for his intergrity and as being an honest broker (tends to bend the truth and in the case of the Iraq War plain lied to the American people on the reasons for attacking and invading Iraq).

"W just signed it as requested by the Repubs" is a LAME excuse. Old George W knew exactly what he was doing. The Medicare drugs could have been negotiated like they are in the VA system but he chose not to follow that path. Just like with other bills he could have used his VETO.

Both Congress and Old George W have about a 31% approval rating.
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Wags is not the only one -- Approval of Bush, Congress hits new low - Yahoo! News

I would like to know what the 31% who still approve of his job performance are smoking -- maybe they can send some of it to me.
Gumby thanks for the post. Texas Proud's assumption that I HATE Old George W is a little HARSH. And you know what they say about assumptions.

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No... they are different .... just because someone does not approve of his job performance does not automatically go into 'hating' him. I do not approve of his performance (nor most of the Repubs that I thought would do a better job), but I don't hate them.... just dissappointed.

The liberals HATE ole W just like I hated Clinton, even though he (Clinton) did an OK job
For your information I am an Independent.

When one hates the only one that is being damaged is the hater because they in time will bring themselves down to the level of the object of their HATE.

I am an ADVOCATE for PEACE and as such at times I can be passionate about it, but do not make the mistake of thinking that my passion for PEACE is HATE. You know about what they say about people who make assumptions.

Please get it through your HEAD that I do NOT HATE Old George W. I do not HATE anyone.

I will pray that you will get over your hate for Clinton.

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For your information I am an Independent.

When one hates the only one that is being damaged is the hater because they in time will bring themselves down to the level of the object of their HATE.

I am an ADVOCATE for PEACE and as such at times I can be passionate about it, but do not make the mistake of thinking that my passion for PEACE is HATE. You know about what they say about people who make assumptions.

Please get it through your HEAD that I do NOT HATE Old George W. I do not HATE anyone.

I will pray that you will get over your hate for Clinton.

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Nice to know.... and good for you also...

I would love to have peace... and would agree that we should just leave Iraq and let them sort it out... but then there will be a whole lot more people being killed.

You are right.. I do not hate Clinton like some of the rabid people did and do.. but I don't trust the guy one bit... he makes even George look like a ametuer when it comes to lying...
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The problem is availability of affordable health care. The solution does not have to be a government hand out.

I believe the fix should be with Federal regulations on insurers to allow the uninsured in groups... no red lining! If you think about it... on average, most people at any point in time ar relatively healthy... especially people under 65 (qualify for medicare). The mix of unhealthy and healthy should be statistically the same. Let the insurers (foreign and domestic) bid on the contract. Obviously there is more to it than this simple idea... But it should work. If that is coupled with a tax break... Why wouldn't it work?
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The problem is availability of affordable health care. The solution does not have to be a government hand out.

I believe the fix should be with Federal regulations on insurers to allow the uninsured in groups... no red lining! If you think about it... on average, most people at any point in time ar relatively healthy... especially people under 65 (qualify for medicare). The mix of unhealthy and healthy should be statistically the same. Let the insurers (foreign and domestic) bid on the contract. Obviously there is more to it than this simple idea... But it should work. If that is coupled with a tax break... Why wouldn't it work?
Because a healthy 25 year old doesn't want to subsidize the unhealthy
55 year olds. For the healthy, there will always be private insurance that
is lower than what the govt can provide, so in the end, the govt program
will only have the unhealthy people.
What you are asking for is socialism, not capitalism.
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This whole thing has become typical full-contact partisan politics as usual.

The Democrats overreached on this bill to make a political point, IMO, and now the other side is blustering unnecessarily as well.

It would be far easier to scale back the eligibility a little bit, still get all the poor kids at a lower price tag, and send something up that the president will sign and would still represent a modest *expansion* of the program. But that's not good politics as we enter the final year before the next election. Better to point fingers at each other than doing the business of the people. In other words, politics as usual and neither side is doing what's right here.
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