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Old 04-26-2007, 03:03 PM   #1
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Capital Punishment - lethal injections often fail

CBS news is reporting on the latest study on capital punishment and lethal injections -- it sometimes fails.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...litics_2719847

I always suspected that lethal injections were not the most humane way to put someone to death. But, then again, is there an easy way to die? Most states have adopted this method because they felt it was the most humane method -- not now.
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Re: Capital Punishment - lethal injections often fail
Old 04-26-2007, 03:57 PM   #2
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I wonder if guillotines can fail?
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I hate to talk technically about this charged topic but by way of the facts, lethal injections fail because they are administered by poorly qualified people, and because they are a bizarre mixture of ingredients. Veterinarians virtually never fail in euthanizing dogs and cats, using a powerful sedative, comparable to inducing general anesthesia but without the respiratory support. Deep anesthesia without respiratory support is always fatal and presumable would be "humane" if you believe that "humane execution" is not an oxymoron.

The current method is to me cruel and unusual.
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I wonder if guillotines can fail?
we should use it, simply for humane purposes.
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I wonder if guillotines can fail?
Always a chance of failure when you're dealing with cutting edge technology...

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Always a chance of failure when you're dealing with cutting edge technology...

You always cut to the point REWahoo..
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I've known it all along....he's a sharp guy!
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Old 04-26-2007, 08:48 PM   #8
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I don't think the injections failed - all of them died. They just
failed to work as humanely as desired. Still, probably alot more
humanely than their victims . . .
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Deep anesthesia without respiratory support is always fatal and presumable would be "humane" if you believe that "humane execution" is not an oxymoron.
That sounds like a good way to go. What kind of anesthesia? I'd bet some people would happily wait in line for execution via Morphine.
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There really isn't a humane way to kill someone. Painless (physically), perhaps. But it's hardly humane to have a person count the hours down to when we will coldly and dispassionately snuff out his life. It almost seems a little hypocritical to try to be humane.

I'm not a huge fan of CP, but there are some people I'd pull the switch on myself. Like bin Laden, if we ever catch him alive - I could almost hope the first 30 or 40 tries to kill him wouldn't work.
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I wonder if guillotines can fail?
I had read it did at times...

And I also heard on one of the public TV shows that the head was still alive for a few seconds after it was cut off.... that the person could have known what happened... talk about cruel...

I would much prefer the lethal injection over the hangmans noose, firing squad and 'ole sparky'... give the guy a lot of sedatives and knock him out and then continue to put more in until dead...
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And I also heard on one of the public TV shows that the head was still alive for a few seconds after it was cut off.... that the person could have known what happened... talk about cruel...
I read somewhere that was a myth. It is true, though, that guillotines sometimes didn't complete the task, if the blade wasn't sharp enough. (Ew.)

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I would much prefer the lethal injection over the hangmans noose, firing squad and 'ole sparky'... give the guy a lot of sedatives and knock him out and then continue to put more in until dead...
After reading about what happened to people when those other methods failed, lethal injection does sound the least nasty. But there's something about the sterility of it, the clinical coldness, that creeps me out. I'm not opposed to the DP for particularly heinous crimes - I even think it's necessary in some cases (like bin Laden - can't have him alive in prison - he'd still be a threat), but I don't feel good about it. I don't think we should. Taking a life is not a good thing.
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I have absolutely no problem with the death penalty at all. If a person has been found guilty beyond all reasonable doubt, then the penalty should be as severe as possible. If someone murders another person, put him/her to death, not life in prison. They just have to make sure that the first "lethal" injection doesn't fail.....make it strong enough to kill a moose!

In Illinois, our last crooked, thieving, liar of governor, put a moratorium on the death penalty. So we have a sh*t load of scum sitting in prisons on "death row", who committed heinous crimes against society, and WE as taxpayers get to support them. WE get to put a roof over their heads, feed them three meals a day, cloth them, pay for all of their medical bills, and everything else. Meanwhile, there are thousands (if not tens of thousands) of people in our state who have jobs, yet can't afford decent housing (some can't afford any), they can hardly make ends meet, and they have no insurance.

But, hey maybe some screwball judge in the 'criminal justice system' can decide that they've now paid their 'debt' to society, and turn them loose so they can try again.

I firmly believe in reinstating the death penalty and start cleaning out our over crowded prisons. Whether by lethal injection, electric chair, firing squad, whackin' their head off, hanging until dead, or whatever.....and I wouldn't be overly concerned about their 'comfort' before or during the execution. They weren't overly concerned about their victim's comfort!

We have a former family friend (from back in the late 60's or very early 70's) serving a life sentence in the Tennessee D.O.C. for burglary and murder. He's been sitting there now for over 25 years, while a family in Tennessee has had to go through life without their husband/father/brother. When he was convicted....and there was preponderance of evidence against him.....he should have been sentenced to death....and the sentence should have been carried out!

The sister of an old high school buddy was murdered back in the early 80's here in town...in her own home! The dirt-bag randomly picked her house, kicked in the front door, slit her throat in the living room, turned around and ran out the door and hid in the under brush a few blocks away. They caught him fairly quickly, and took him off to jail. He was convicted of her murder by a lot physical evidence and eye witnesses, and he was sentenced to natural life in prison. Here we are 25 years later, he's still in prison, and while there has murdered 2 other inmates. The convictions for both of those murders??.....2 more life sentences!! There's a problem!!

As for less dastardly crimes, I believe they need to bring back "chain gangs". We used to have them here in IL, but some bleeding hearts must have thought it was too cruel of a way to make them pay there 'debt' to society. But, man, the roadsides looked really well maintained for a few miles around the the state pens!!! When I saw them (way back when) it looked like a scene right out of "Cool Hand Luke"! :
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Re: Capital Punishment - lethal injections often fail

Does your bias show through when you change 'Somtimes Fail' in your title to 'often fail'?

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i'm not sure why this is in the health section. almost as funny as finding a humane way to put someone to an involuntary death.

capital punishment is nothing more than shrugging off responsibility at best or premeditated, state-sanctioned murder at worst.

hey, maybe they'll be punished in the next world, let's send them there.
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i'm not sure why this is in the health section. almost as funny as finding a humane way to put someone to an involuntary death.

capital punishment is nothing more than shrugging off responsibility at best or premeditated, state-sanctioned murder at worst.

hey, maybe they'll be punished in the next world, let's send them there.
What do you suggest for the people who kill little children? Rehabilitation? I just want them dead so they suffer a worse penalty in hell... Oh and screw using tax money to keep them locked up
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you should always have a good reason to save a buck. it's so convenient for you to think that there's actually some filing system after death, that you won't be emailing the killer directly into the same world as the killed. i only hope you won't ever be disappointed to learn that in hell they get rehabbed and wind up in the same state of grace as the person they killed because it would be so upsetting to find you missed your opportunity to punish or even rehab them here.

i'm also so glad that you specified killers of children, who, as you know, are much more awful than killers of actual adults.
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you should always have a good reason to save a buck. it's so convenient for you to think that there's actually some filing system after death, that you won't be emailing the killer directly into the same world as the killed. i only hope you won't ever be disappointed to learn that in hell they get rehabbed and wind up in the same state of grace as the person they killed because it would be so upsetting to find you missed your opportunity to punish or even rehab them here.

i'm also so glad that you specified killers of children, who, as you know, are much more awful than killers of actual adults.
Sorry buddy you lost me with that ramble. : Id prefer the eye for the eye system but our society is too civilized. Rapists, thieves, murderers etc would get their just desserts.
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Oh and screw using tax money to keep them locked up
I agree!!
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Goonie....

The problem with your post is that it actually cost more to put a criminal to death than to house them for the rest of their life... if they get life, there are few appeals... a capital murderer gets MANY appeals and then end of life court cases... all cost a lot of money...

Texas has the largest population on death road AND the most people put to death... I don't mind it a bit to pay the extra money...
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