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Old 10-19-2011, 12:55 AM   #21
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How many pulls in 5-10 minutes? How many kilowatt-hours does that work out to?

If they only had an inverter or at least a battery-charge controller hooked up to those machines...
I didn't really count. Guess I should have! I was going at a reasonable clip, about the speed of the girls on the video I guess. I wasn't paying so much attention to that but just wanted to get the watts reading over 50 on each pull without slowing down. Since I was doing it for just 5-10 minutes it probably didn't add up to a whole lot, but still the Concept2 seemed really good for weight loss (for me), for some reason. Or it was, until my back betrayed me...

Yeah, it would be cool if they could hook it up to a TV or something.
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PDF File from Crossfit Journal explaining what the damper does: http://www.concept2.com/us/commercia...IT_April07.pdf

Today is a non-gym day for the big Princess and she usually does something aerobic. She was just whining saying that it was too chilly to ride comfortably (she is a princess after all), and "it's going to be a pain to drive all the way to the gym every other day just to ride the bike or row."

And that's when inspiration struck and I mentioned the possibility of buying a C2 for the house. Just for her comfort, of course.
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Intersting article about the damper. I culled this statement from it.

"Power is often confused with force, and, although related, they are different. Force applied over a distance yields work. Work integrated over time yields power." Unless I am forgetting physics (which is certainly possible), work per unit of time is power. His text seems to realize this. Rowing 2000 meters reflects work; rowing 2000 meters in 6 minutes reflects a given level of power. Ignoring loss to inefficiency, two rowers each rowing 2km do the same amount of work; but if one does it in 6 minutes and the other in 7 minutes, the first rower has shown more power.

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OK, we are off to the gym later today and I am going to try the C2 again today. Just talking about it makes me want to give this great machine another try.

Just 5 minutes, though, since I haven't been on one in over 6 months.
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Have any of you static rowers ever tried a skull? That would be a nice bucket list item to row down the Charles River next to the Harvard crew.
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If they only had an inverter or at least a battery-charge controller hooked up to those machines...
Well - on some models it helps charge the display battery while rowing, and there is supposedly an attachment to direct the fan air to the rower while rowing! LOL!
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You're beating the curve, HaHa. Congratulations

See the graph here (hope the link w*rks OK, give it a moment to load) for a related chuckle.

http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/...s-home-gym.jpg
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OK, back from the gym after my first use of the Concept 2 in six months. I left it at level 10 and did an earth-shattering 5 minutes. I averaged 81.6W for the session, and individual pulls ranged from 75 to 105. Couldn't find the number of pulls, Nords, though I'm sure that is on the readout somewhere. Love that machine although I've got a long way to go before I am rowing as hard and as long as as Haha, if ever.
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I wonder if others who have aerobic equipment at home can give some of their experiences?

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It sounds like you bought an awesome, effective device. Good for you. In reply to your question, DH and I go to a gym most every day and that has worked for us for a long time. Many MANY years ago while both still working desk jobs, we bought an exercise bike and a rowing machine. The rowing machine stunk (literally, from the hydraulic shock absorbers) and although the bike got some use, it mostly lives in our garage. However, it's handy to have one around, because it's been used as a home rehab device by various friends upon occasion (recovering from a broken ankle, etc) and also myself.
I can see a time in the future where I might not want to drive to the gym (although I'd miss the socialization) so I'll keep this device in mind.
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I wonder if others who have aerobic equipment at home can give some of their experiences?


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Most of my equipment was used a lot in the beginning and then became sweater dryers . I need the motivation of a gym . Once I pay the money I am there .
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OK, back from the gym after my first use of the Concept 2 in six months. I left it at level 10 and did an earth-shattering 5 minutes. I averaged 81.6W for the session, and individual pulls ranged from 75 to 105. Couldn't find the number of pulls, Nords, though I'm sure that is on the readout somewhere. Love that machine although I've got a long way to go before I am rowing as hard and as long as as Haha, if ever.

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Is that the damper setting? I've been sort of looking at this and I noticed that the manufacturer recommends setting at 3 to 5 for a cardiovascular workout.

Concept2: Damper Setting & Workout Intensity
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Is that the damper setting? I've been sort of looking at this and I noticed that the manufacturer recommends setting at 3 to 5 for a cardiovascular workout.

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The damper setting is like bicycle gearing. It affects the feel of the rowing but does not directly affect the resistance. With a little experimentation, you will find the damper setting that gives you the best workout and results. We recommend a damper setting of 3–5 for the best aerobic workout. This is the setting that feels most like a sleek, fast boat on the water. Higher settings feel more like a bigger, slower boat.
Interesting comparison with a bicycle.
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There is a Concept 2 at the fitness center I go to 3x weekly. I actually never realized what a following the machine has.

On the days I go to the fitness center I do an aerobic/cardio warmup of about 30 - 35 minutes before I lift weights. (I am no power lifter, just a 66 year old guy trying to slow the inevitable deterioration.) I usually alternate an elliptical workout with the Concept 2 for the aerobic/cardio or will sometimes do an interval fast walk-run on the treadmill. When I use the Concept 2 I usually set it on 6 or 7 and row at about 28 - 30 strokes per minute. I don't really understand any of the other metrics it tracks. It seems that there are only a few of us at the fitness center who use the Concept 2, so the good news is that it is always available.

Last year I had an issue with a pinched nerve in my rotator cuff and had physical therapy for it. I found that in addition to the exercises the physical therapist gave me, the Concept 2 was also helpful in getting me back to normal.

I have an old Nordic Track in my basement that I use on the non-fitness center days when the weather is too crummy to walk, hike, paddle or jog. Obviously, ellipticals are the new generation Nordic equivalent, but I still find I can get a good workout on the old-fashioned Nordic Track.
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PDF File from Crossfit Journal explaining what the damper does: http://www.concept2.com/us/commercia...IT_April07.pdf

And that's when inspiration struck and I mentioned the possibility of buying a C2 for the house. Just for her comfort, of course.


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It is the only machine I use at the Y.

Always set it on max resistance. I don't use any of the gauges except the timer. 1 min each for the various types of grips and pulls. 6 minutes, then 1 minute at full blast.

Love the sound when I wind it up. Sounds like a helicopter hovering.

Of curse when done I'm drenched in sweat. Then head to the sauna directly.
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There is a Concept 2 at the fitness center I go to 3x weekly. I actually never realized what a following the machine has.
There are six in nearly-new condition at my gym, and almost always only 0 to 1 are being used; never more than 3. So, it's hard to find others there to ask about it, and it's great to read posts by others on the board who use this machine.

Which brings up an off-topic side issue: Why does my gym buy multiples of expensive machines like this that aren't used as much, when they only have ONE of the Nautilus abdominal crunch machine, that is so very busy all the time? On second thought I should probably I should ask someone who works there instead of the board....

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When I use the Concept 2 I usually set it on 6 or 7 and row at about 28 - 30 strokes per minute. I don't really understand any of the other metrics it tracks.
Oh, so THAT is what "spm" stands for! My readout yesterday was 29.x spm (29.6 I think?), nearly identical to yours, but I had no idea what spm meant. 29.6 is apparently my natural pace; I was only paying attention to the watts. So Nords, you wanted strokes so there ya go, 29.6 spm x 5 minutes = 148 strokes. Surely that is enough to lower the light bill and my monthly fees.

Generally I much prefer strength to cardio, but what I like about the Concept2 is that you get both... you are getting plenty of cardio mixed in with the strength. So, the cardio is sort of "sneaked in", kind of like hiding a cat pill in a treat.

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That can make a big difference during busy hours at the gym.

My friend F. isn't crazy about the C2. At least not yet. He mostly lifts weights at the gym.
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It is the only machine I use at the Y.

Always set it on max resistance. I don't use any of the gauges except the timer. 1 min each for the various types of grips and pulls. 6 minutes, then 1 minute at full blast.
Love the sound when I wind it up. Sounds like a helicopter hovering.

Of curse when done I'm drenched in sweat. Then head to the sauna directly.
This just proves how very little I really know about C2. I thought there was only one way to grip it and one way to pull it. (The way the gym guy showed me when I first asked about it.) Maybe I need to ask him to take me to the next level of detail.
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This just proves how very little I really know about C2. I thought there was only one way to grip it and one way to pull it. (The way the gym guy showed me when I first asked about it.) Maybe I need to ask him to take me to the next level of detail.
Me too! I didn't know there were other ways to grip or pull either.
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Me too! I didn't know there were other ways to grip or pull either.
If what you are doing is standard rowing, and your goal is maximum power output over a given time, there is really only one right way, with perhaps slight variations for body build.

I suppose to use it for other purposes there might be other ways, but be careful not to put odd stresses on your body. The standard good form rowing stroke is a masterpiece of efficient application of force. The video Leonidas posted is a perfect lesson in exactly how to do it.

Particularly those who like me have a lot of miles on their bodies should be careful because we really don't want to get sidelined.

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If what you are doing is standard rowing, and your goal is maximum power output over a given time, there is really only one right way, with perhaps slight variations for body build.

I suppose to use it for other purposes there might be other ways, but be careful not to put odd stresses on your body. The standard good form rowing stroke is a masterpiece of efficient application of force. The video Leonidas posted is a perfect lesson in exactly how to do it.

Particularly those who like me have a lot of miles on their bodies should be careful because we really don't want to get sidelined.

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That is exactly what I have been doing (I think - - or at least emulating) - - rowing like those girls on the video were doing. At the gym, there are diagrams illustrating that standard rowing technique along with written instructions, all of which I have studied carefully. I enjoy the standard form so much that I don't want to do anything else with the machine anyway, but was just surprised.
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