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Old 01-19-2016, 04:51 PM   #21
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Well...let's see...if I continue working until 85 I'll be fully aware of how miserable I am.

Sounds like a bad deal to me.

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Old 01-21-2016, 10:36 PM   #22
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Offset by the stress and PTSD of continuing to work until age 85.

I just can't imagine it.

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Old 01-22-2016, 04:58 AM   #23
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It's similar to the studies that show that early retirement and earlier deaths have some correlation. Correlation is not causation, and maybe, just maybe, a lot of people "retire" before age 65 because they become ill and frail before 65, or die before 65?

In this case, sure, maybe if you w*rk longer you will have to keep your mind engaged with w*rk stuff for longer, but the rest of your body will be damaged by too much physical labor and/or too much work-related stress.
"Hey, for every ten dollars, that's another hour that I have to be in the work place. That's an hour of my life. And my life is a very finite thing. I have only 'x' number of hours left before I'm dead. So how do I want to use these hours of my life? Do I want to use them just spending it on more crap and more stuff, or do I want to start getting a handle on it and using my life more intelligently?" -- Joe Dominguez (1938 - 1997)

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Old 01-22-2016, 05:27 AM   #24
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But consider if....wait....lost my train of thought. What was this discussion about? Oh yeah, need more coffee.

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Old 01-22-2016, 09:23 AM   #25
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Yes. I guess there's no reason to think that people with dementia just might retire earlier for that reason.
Hmmm... At megacorp, I thought I saw some not demented but senile people still hanging on to their job.
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Old 01-22-2016, 09:29 AM   #26
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It's easy to put down a study because of flaws and of course all studies in this area are associational and can't control statistically for every factor. But is there really any significant doubt that retirement increases risk of mental decline, alzheimers, dementia, etc?

This is a serious question -- I've not looked into this at all besides skimming the OP's study.

We have the association (assuming there are lots of independent studies that show this) and the mechanism: Use it or Lose it. So it doesn't seem like such a stretch to infer causation.

I look at myself (retired <2 years) and there's no way that my mental load is as tough as while working. Although my social interaction is good, I'm doing way less writing, reading technical papers, programming, presenting, problem solving, arguing/discussing solutions, and maybe the most taxing of all office politics.
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Old 01-22-2016, 11:59 AM   #27
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85? Oye!!!

I know the article (and study) is a few years old, but I wonder if it was published to make those folks who WON'T be able to retire feel better? Maybe along the lines of "Hey, I might be 80 years old and still w*rking, but at least I don't have dementia!" I know that's a stretch, but I could see it especially with the large segment of our population who have said they will work "until they die."
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Old 01-22-2016, 05:22 PM   #28
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I have a good friend that was brilliant, had a great job but had to retire at 55 because she had Alzheimer's. Now at age 64 had to go into a home.
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Old 01-28-2016, 09:35 AM   #29
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Correlation is not causation,
Exactly!! Many so called "studies" are really only a search for correlation. The results are spurious or in some cases obvious. For example most "studies" that find that certain demographics are healthier or live longer are just reporting correlation. In many(most?) cases these correlations are to a third factor such as wealth, diet, stress, etc. It is very difficult to identify the actual causation.
Rich people live longer, smart people live longer, risk averse people live longer, married people live longer, happy people live longer. The list goes on.
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I know that my megacorp did some studies to show that people who worked until 65 died sooner than people who retired early. Fortunately they did not share these results with the pension people.

When I got a golden handshake at age 49, I took the option of an immediate reduced pension. One year later they did another offer and did not include the immediate option. I suspect they ran the same spreadsheet that I did! 24 years and counting! And we took the 100% joint survivorship option (which was quite cheap) so will continue collecting for many years to come...

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