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Old 07-01-2010, 07:48 PM   #41
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From the few times I've allowed myself to get sucked into watching that show, I'd say your 'accurate enough' statement leaves a hole wide enough to pitch a galaxy through. I see no interest in accuracy in that program, only 'can we make the audience go "awwww!, oHHHHH! or eWWWW".

Heck, I 'learned' from Oprah that you can save over $200/month just putting some of your stuff on a power strip and turning it off when you don't use it! "oHHHHHH". Unless I'm running the A/C a lot, I don't even have a $200/month bill. That's a lot of 'phantom power', yet, no skepticism, no question of will this really work for others, just acceptance and "oHHHHH!"

What a way to get rich!

BTW, I've been running around with my Kill-a-watt device, and so far I've only found one thing that I thought was worth turning off when not in use. Most everything I've tested just sips power very slightly ( ~ 1W) when 'off'. The ROI on the power strip is non-existent. Environmental-wise, probably more pollution caused by the manufacture of the strip than the wasted power.

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I got one of those Kill-a-watt things at somebody (maybe Nords, or T-Al, or CFB's) suggestion, but I love that sucker. It makes me feel so energy efficient even if it is only a few watts to cut the power. Don't be spoiling it for me like that!
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I got one of those Kill-a-watt things at somebody (maybe Nords, or T-Al, or CFB's) suggestion, but I love that sucker. It makes me feel so energy efficient even if it is only a few watts to cut the power. Don't be spoiling it for me like that!

I 'love' mine too. I found that one of the kids little shelf stereo used as much 'off' as it did 'on' ( 8W). We unplug it (it's convenient) if it isn't being used daily. It told me that my 17 and 20 YO fridge/freezer seem to be running as well as they did when new. And the advice you get to replace any fridge/freezer that is over ten YO to 'save money'. Nuts to that. There is no ROI in most cases, and what about the environmental cost of producing a new fridge/freezer?

And my new laptop takes about 2 cents to power all day (combination of use/sleep), less than half of my older desktop unit. My printer is less than 1W in standby - I figure the wear and tear of turning it on/off and having it go through another cycle is going to wear it out sooner and it will need replacing - again, more energy than it uses most likely.

I know you put the "" emoticons after the comment about 'spoiling it for you' - but I don't understand what that means. If someone is interested in reducing their impact on the environment, they should want to take the best action. Buying a power strip to save 1W is probably not a net positive for the environment. Probably not a big deal either way. But shouldn't we use the information/data to tell us what the "right thing" is, and then our "feelings" will be in sync with reality?

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Wait a minute... How did Kill-a-watts and the environment end up in this 'ear cleaning' thread'?

Whew, had to go back - the Oprah connection... OK.

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Oh, I meant that you found most of the stuff you tested didn't "waste" power, meaning that the kill-a-watt didn't find you any huge electricity eaters.
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Most everything I've tested just sips power very slightly ( ~ 1W) when 'off'. The ROI on the power strip is non-existent. Environmental-wise, probably more pollution caused by the manufacture of the strip than the wasted power.

I'm definitely in favor of the environment--heck, I have to live here! I just meant that the device made me feel like I was saving money, even though, like you, I didn't find any massive energy stealers among my paltry numbers of plug-in devices.

Sorry I wasn't clear--didn't mean to make you think I wasn't being rational, as god knows that is all I cling to, most days.
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Hmmmm, not any incorrect info but accurate enough for Oprah's audience.
. I should have mentioned that I NEVER watch Oprah; I was just channel surfing that day and paused to watch Dr. Oz for a minute or two. Personally, I can't wait until Oprah is off the air since I find most of her topics to be quite boring actually....
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I got one of those Kill-a-watt things at somebody (maybe Nords, or T-Al, or CFB's) suggestion, but I love that sucker. It makes me feel so energy efficient even if it is only a few watts to cut the power. Don't be spoiling it for me like that!
I figured out that I was wasting several KWHr a month keeping a pot of coffee warm. Now I make it one cup at a time and shut it off.

10 KWHr/month doesn't sound like much, but around here that's over $2-- and it sticks out like a sore thumb alongside 80 KWHr/month total consumption.

I wish there was a 240v version of the Kill-A-Watt to use on our electric dryer. But when our kid leaves for college I don't think we'll have to wonder about that power consumption anymore...
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I wish there was a 240v version of the Kill-A-Watt to use on our electric dryer. But when our kid leaves for college I don't think we'll have to wonder about that power consumption anymore...
To continue thread hijack and have nothing to do with ear cleaning:

You could get one more Kill-A-Watt, make a special jumper for 220 with a set of outlets in the middle for each hot leg. Plug in two Kill-A-Watts, read values. You will find often one leg draws more power than the other. Often the drive motors are 110V. Since the heater is non-inductive, the power factor on one side will be better than the other.

Resume ear cleaning.
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You could get one more Kill-A-Watt, make a special jumper for 220 with a set of outlets in the middle for each hot leg. Plug in two Kill-A-Watts, read values. You will find often one leg draws more power than the other. Often the drive motors are 110V. Since the heater is non-inductive, the power factor on one side will be better than the other.
Or I could just read the label plate on the dryer and do the math.

I think the attraction of the Kill-A-Watt is that I can plug it in, forget about it for a few months, and then add the numbers to my spreadsheet. The fact that I'm looking for a 240v version to use on an appliance that only runs a few times a month is probably an indication that I'm running out of data worth collecting.

Next week our kid returns from her month's journeys. Coincidentally her departure/return dates are the same as HECO's reading of our meter. That should be an interesting predictor of our empty-nester power consumption. Maybe I won't care about Kill-A-Watt data collection.

All this collection/analysis time is probably better spent on designing the pergola with its 4KW array on its roof. Until we buy a cheap used EV, though, we have no payback and no compelling reason to tackle the project.

I guess my ears are clean enough too...
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