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Old 10-02-2014, 07:23 AM   #41
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I cannot fathom why we are allowing flights from or people with passports from the affected countries into the US.
Our local US Congressional representative is trying to pass a bill that would preclude any flights (passengers) that originated from Liberia from coming to US. I assume this refers to passengers that fly thru other countries, as I do not believe there are any direct flights currently.
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Old 10-02-2014, 09:02 AM   #42
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My ohshit-meter is itching to climb and I'm starting to think through plans on what we should do if it's not be contained. I've never been a bugout type of thinker but for the first time I find myself thinking through scenarios. I suspect I'm not the only one who is thinking these thoughts for the first time today.
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My ohshit-meter is itching to climb and I'm starting to think through plans on what we should do if it's not be contained. I've never been a bugout type of thinker but for the first time I find myself thinking through scenarios. I suspect I'm not the only one who is thinking these thoughts for the first time today.
Well, that's understandable, Andy, given the types of stories that have been spreading like wildfire in the media lately.

Compounding the complexity of this situation is the possibility that some of the socalled journalists reporting about this case possibly could be more interested in inspiring terror among their readers (thus upping their readership and ratings) than simply reporting the news. Consequently I suspect the danger is not so much in contracting ebola, as in possibly neglecting other important news stories that might be under-reported while this ebola fear is rampant.

Washing one's hands frequently as an early response to ebola-terror inspiring stories is always a good and harmless thing to begin doing while assessing the situation. I can't see that hand washing could do any harm, and even if ebola turns out to be a non-issue washing one's hands might help lower the frequency of colds as well as one's overall stress level.

During the anthrax scare some years ago, many at my (federal) workplace washed their hands a lot as well as trying to minimize the possibility for exposure. For example, not opening suspicious mail was appropriate for the anthrax scare, just as avoiding contact with bodily fluids from strangers might be appropriate for the ebola scare.
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I wonder what the best hand wipes are? Anyone know? I might carry some like Monk.
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I wonder what the best hand wipes are? Anyone know? I might carry some like Monk.
I don't have any idea. I prefer scrubbing my hands thoroughly with plenty of soap and water because I wonder about the chemicals in hand wipes. Also, during the anthrax scare years ago, my agency recommended soap and water instead of hand wipes and gave reasons which I have since forgotten, but which made sense to me at the time. I figured they knew more than I did.

I can wash with soap and water easily, being retired and pretty much a homebody. Also at restaurants or at my gym (the places where I can most often be found when not home) it is very easy to access soap and water.
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My ohshit-meter is itching to climb and I'm starting to think through plans on what we should do if it's not be contained. I've never been a bugout type of thinker but for the first time I find myself thinking through scenarios. I suspect I'm not the only one who is thinking these thoughts for the first time today.
If this thing gets loose the solution will be a quarantine. So be prepared to hunker down wherever you live for a week or two. That is far short of requiring a bunker.
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Hand hygiene. Wash hands with soap and water immediately ... Soap and water are recommended due to the amount of organic contamination (blood, vomit, etc.) present that can interfere with the efficacy of alcohol hand sanitizers. Soap helps organics and the virus slip off,and water rinses them into the sewage system where they are effectively destroyed by standard sewage treatment procedures. ...

•70-90% ethyl alcohol (ethanol) based hand sanitizers will destroy lipid enveloped viruses like Ebola very effectively if the organic soiling is not present. This higher concentration than normally recommended is appropriate for disinfecting non-enveloped viruses including Norovirus, thus providing an added safety factor for the more easily disinfected enveloped Ebola virus.(See further rationale for this non-enveloped virus safety factor in the Surface Disinfection section.) The alcohol based hand sanitizer can also be used after a soap and water wash first to remove organic matter (soiling), if present
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Thanks W2R. I'm traveling Sunday (NOLA) and next month (Las Vegas) and I always carry liquid sanitizer in my purse in case I can't readily get to soap/water. When I come home after running errands (homebody too, with exception of trips) the first thing I do is was my hands. I like wipes for wiping down when staying in hotels.....guess I'll continue using the Clorox wipes.

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Compounding the complexity of this situation is the possibility that some of the so called journalists reporting about this case possibly could be more interested in inspiring terror among their readers (thus upping their readership and ratings) than simply reporting the news.
I agree completely about the media. I rarely watch TV and only read the news online once per day. If it's important someone around me will tell me about it and then I can read more if desired. That's my way of not letting the media negatively influence my life.

At this moment, I'm not so concerned about actually contracting Ebola. Although our home is in the Dallas/Ft Worth area we are currently abroad on an island in Brazil. As long as it does not show up here, I feel nice and safe.

As I mentioned, I've never been a bugout/prepper kind of person. I know lots of people who did give it plenty of thought. My thoughts today circled around the fact that I am naive on the topic and if I should at least think through and develop a plan. Kind of like folks in Florida might have a plan for a hurricane, maybe I need to have something similar for unforeseen events.
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... Two potentates there, the head of infectious diseases, and the executive VP went on and on about how they were all ready for ebola, spread by bodily fluids only, on and on how there were no worries.

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Today we hear that when the guy went into THPD's ER days previous, he said he had just been in LIBERIA! And they checked off that they asked him about travel. And they sent him home!
Oh yes, they have it ALL under control. We don't need to worry. ...

I would rather that someone say they don't know, then spew out platitudes.
Yes, this is my biggest issue. 'We have it under control', but they let this guy go back home after he said he had just been in Liberia. And apparently, this information was not passed to the other health care workers he saw that day.

That is NOT having things under control! Don't pee on me and then tell me it's raining!


However, I do think this will stay under control. This slip will be a wake-up call. Hopefully, based on the descriptions of what it takes, it won't spread to any/many cases beyond this person. Clearly, better controls on people coming into the country are needed.

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hmm, FIREcalc doesn't backtest for a Wildfire Alert (of the Crichton kind)...
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I'm having a hard time with the hand wipes "solution".

If western-trained healthcare workers were infected (in Africa) while "taking all the appropriate precautions" with known ebola patients, how are hand wipes going to solve the problem? I mean, they KNEW who they needed to be careful around, were medically trained, and STILL acquired the virus.
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I'm having a hard time with the hand wipes "solution".

If western-trained healthcare workers were infected (in Africa) while "taking all the appropriate precautions" with known ebola patients, how are hand wipes going to solve the problem? I mean, they KNEW who they needed to be careful around, were medically trained, and STILL acquired the virus.
I don't think anyone is claiming the wipes are a 100% solution. Rather, they can be an added precaution against more casual contact that a normal citizen might be exposed to. Like maybe an infected person coughs and leaves a bit of saliva on the grocery cart handle.

The healthcare workers were being exposed day-in day-out to blood, vomit, wounds, etc. There is bound to be the occasional slip-up, or even becoming lax with following procedures.

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Listening to Dr. today it CAN'T be transmitted by a few drops sweat. Not only do you contact with bodily fluid but it needs to a large quantity. For instance being vomited is a good way of catching it. But even been splashed by blood of Ebola victim doesn't mean you'll get Ebola unless you have an open sore. The immune system can handle small amount of the virus. It can even handle large amounts of the virus as long as you get proper hydration and electrolytes e.g. getting an IV drip. ...
And I heard on the news this morning that the virus has already mutated several times over recently. Some speculate that it's only a matter of time before there will be an airborne version. Experts disagree. But what if down the road they say: "Oops! Sorry. We got that wrong."
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I'm having a hard time with the hand wipes "solution".

If western-trained healthcare workers were infected (in Africa) while "taking all the appropriate precautions" with known ebola patients, how are hand wipes going to solve the problem? I mean, they KNEW who they needed to be careful around, were medically trained, and STILL acquired the virus.
As ERD50 said a precaution NOT a solution. I too would have a hard time if someone actually thought hand wipes are a solution. I just happened to post the question on this thread, it's just something I've wondered. As mentioned, I wipe down everything in a hotel when traveling. Precautions akin to using a public restroom and not opening the door with a bare hand if there's a handle.
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If western-trained healthcare workers were infected (in Africa) while "taking all the appropriate precautions" with known ebola patients, how are hand wipes going to solve the problem? I mean, they KNEW who they needed to be careful around, were medically trained, and STILL acquired the virus.
Ebola is bad, as there is a limited amount of vaccine. After a few months/years, getting cured from Ebola is going to be routine, assuming it is diagnosed properly. The only reason why people in Africa are dying, is due to their practices.

It is cured by an age old technique. Find a person that has lived from the disease, and get their blood serum. It has a high probability of cure rate, if you look at the few that have had that treatment. Why they are not smart enough to recognize that poor habits are causing the deaths, not the virus.
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The only reason why people in Africa are dying, is due to their practices.

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What practices, if I may ask?
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What practices, if I may ask?
Here is a decent article on it.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/in-li...ola-1409619832


http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...a-country.html

Some other factors
The literacy rate is 35% in Sierra Leone
Lack of a good supply bleach
Washing, touching, and kissing of these dead bodies
Funerals are major cultural events that can last for days
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