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Old 11-02-2007, 08:42 AM   #41
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A few years ago we tried the whole grain, seafood diet espoused by Dr. Gabe Mirkin (Dr. Gabe Mirkin on Heath, Fitness and Nutrition). We stayed on it several months, and lost quite a bit of weight. Unfortunately, we just couldn't maintain the strictness of the diet. However, we have kept the fundamentals and still eat mostly whole grain, non-processed foods and low-fat meals. We just had to have some meats and dairy - have chicken mostly (along with fish), and red meat only occasionally (once or twice a month).
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Old 11-02-2007, 08:48 AM   #42
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A few years ago we tried the whole grain, seafood diet espoused by Dr. Gabe Mirkin (Dr. Gabe Mirkin on Heath, Fitness and Nutrition). We stayed on it several months, and lost quite a bit of weight. Unfortunately, we just couldn't maintain the strictness of the diet. However, we have kept the fundamentals and still eat mostly whole grain, non-processed foods and low-fat meals. We just had to have some meats and dairy - have chicken mostly (along with fish), and red meat only occasionally (once or twice a month).
That's the problem with strict, complex diets -- even if they work, they're so much of a hassle to stick with that people stop following them. A successful "diet" has to be simple enough to integrate as part of a long-term lifestyle change if it's going to be long-term successful. It should be simple enough that after a few months on it, you barely even find yourself thinking about it and still make the "right" choices anyway because it's become habit.

Basically, the best diets allow you to break "old" habits and replace them with better ones...at which point it's no longer strictly a "diet" but simply a long-term change in eating habits.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:24 AM   #43
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Lazy...will try your juice recommendations. I love parsley, the taste is sooo fresh and clean. Too bad most people just use it for garnish - what a waste.

I don't like the word "diet" since it implies that one wants to lose weight. Eating healthy is just a means of eating healthly...it's a every day thing that you just do. It's not complicated. A person just needs to think about what they buy at the grocery store. Fill your cart with fresh fruit and veggies (& meat if so inclined) and leave the processed stuff on the shelves.
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Old 11-02-2007, 05:13 PM   #44
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lazy good4nuthin'bum (he said it, not me) said:
meanwhile. the associate press reports that the "use of cholesterol and blood pressure medicines by young adults appears to be rising rapidly" More young adults on cholesterol drugs - Yahoo! News.

You have to consider whether the "use" of these drugs is b/c there is actually an issue with "cholesterol" or whether it is actually an issue with eating too much refined crap leading to obesity and insulin resistance. The problem isn't "cholesterol" but rather the food INDUSTRY and the pharmaceutical INDUSTRY.
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Old 11-04-2007, 10:35 AM   #45
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You have to consider whether the "use" of these drugs is b/c there is actually an issue with "cholesterol" or whether it is actually an issue with eating too much refined crap leading to obesity and insulin resistance. The problem isn't "cholesterol" but rather the food INDUSTRY and the pharmaceutical INDUSTRY.
the following comment is neither directed to the person who i just quoted nor meant as a thread jack but happened upon my mind and seemed just too convenient & timely an example: how interesting that when i pointed out historical and sociological context of how gays have been treated--which might have helped lead to the current behavior of some--that my context would be taken out of context and used against me elsewhere, yet no one makes notice that this writer would emphasize the placing of blame on industry for creating a problem rather than pointing at people for being responsible for what they put in their mouths at the table.

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I respect concern about animal cruelty and try to buy my meat products from ethical sources and eschew feed lot products for range fed (proper ratio of omega 3's to 6's; if you don't know what that means, you should learn b/c otherwise you are in the dark on fats-which are MANDATORY for good health).
is it the fat from meat which is mandatory or could someone substitute say seeds, nuts, berries, dairy, cereal, whole grains, vegetable oil, fish, etc?

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Lunch right now is mung beans with sweet potato. Greg took about 20 minutes to prepare the whole thing. Tasty and healthy.
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[QUOTE=lazygood4nothinbum;574439]the following comment is neither directed to the person who i just quoted nor meant as a thread jack but happened upon my mind and seemed just too convenient & timely an example: how interesting that when i pointed out historical and sociological context of how gays have been treated--which might have helped lead to the current behavior of some--that my context would be taken out of context and used against me elsewhere, yet no one makes notice that this writer would emphasize the placing of blame on industry for creating a problem rather than pointing at people for being responsible for what they put in their mouths at the table.


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lazygood4nothinbum asked:

Is it the fat from meat which is mandatory or could someone substitute say seeds, nuts, berries, dairy, cereal, whole grains, vegetable oil, fish, etc?

Fat from animal sources in not mandatory. It is my opinion that the proper balance of fats is important to good long term health. The standard American diet is skewed grossly toward too much omega 6. Fats from grains have an abundance of omega 6 fatty acids. So do animals fed on grain (such as is the case with factory farmed chickens, fish and fedd lot cattle and pigs. Free ranging animals eating green plant sources have a fat profile closer to wild salmon–a more favorable abundance of omega 3's relative to 6's. Again it is the ratio. Flax is a source of omega 3 fatty acids. Olive oil, walnuts, almonds and avocadoes have a beneficial balance of fats. It is not a simple issue to explain in a paragraph but it is easy to find sources on the internet that discuss this.
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You'll have to pry the rare steak from my cold dead hands.

That said, I have been eating less meat and more fruits and vegetables and almost nothing from the interior grocery aisles. I also go for local and/or pastured critters.
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Eek! That is definitely a regional thing. Fish is NOWHERE near that expensive here. I can buy $5-$7 worth of fish and only eat half of it for dinner, saving the other half for the next night. I do focus on the less expensive varieties, but for example the salmon that I bought on Friday was about 8-10 oz for somewhere in that price range and will last me two nights.

Some of the difference is probably regional and some might be the fish I'm buying. For example, here in NYC farmed salmon (which is dyed pink by the way) is only $8.99 a pound, but the wild stuff is $19-20 per pound. There are cheaper options, like shrimp and talapia. Sea Bass, Halibut, Wild Salmon are all 19-20 a pound here.
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I stopped eating meat about 3 weeks ago, and I feel kind of sad. I can't help it so I decided to add a little meat to my meal. I'm concerned with my high cholesterol so I will slowly give up on this meat thing and change my diet to seafoods and vegetables, in time.
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sorry for any confusion to you. your referenced quote of mine was simply commentary on another poster's opinion listed elsewhere. that poster's inconsistency in not bringing you to the table for what would have been--in similar logic--the same perceived offense in tactic as was presumed mine bolstered my suspicion of that person's motive. again, poster, the reference was not meant at all towards you.
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Ziggy,

You got that one right. With my last annual checkup, the electrocardiogram results don't look great, the stethoscope detects a slight heart murmer that wasn't there before. Some time soon, I have to get an echocardiogram check.

I'm lucky that I like fish and seafood so that's not a problem. Getting prepared, just in case I'm put on a diet. Right now, I'm trying to get my omega-6's down, and my omega 3's up.
Just an update on this. First of all I'd like to thank everyone's response. It's good to know that quite a few of you are looking after your health, and that includes the choices of what to eat, and what not to.

I received the results of my echocardiogram a couple of days ago, and the doctor said it looks good with nothing on it to be concerned about. She didn't mention anything about going on a diet, but I'm still concerned about the blocked artery that the electrocardiogram showed, and the fact that she had told be if it gets worse down the road, that I may have to have a pacemaker inserted.

Before, I was sort of 50/50 healthy food versus junk food. Now, I know I can't do that anymore, so now I try for 90% health food. The other 10% is for food that I think may be healthy, but down the road turn out to be the opposite. Right now I seem to have a fascination with the old traditional diets in Japan, and in particular Okinawa, and in the case of Mediterranean focusing on Crete. Call it fusion if you wish, I'm picking what works for me, from both sides of the world. Two other items I've found of great interest, was the relationship of omega-3's to omega 6's and the changes that have occurred in the North American diet since about the 1850's, and also a new term for me, "caloric density", which I'm sure many of you already know.

Certainly, I've increased my vegetable and fruit intake over the last few weeks, which for someone like me who was more like a T-Rex, not the easiest thing to do. I'm not interested in red meat anymore, and although I now have an occasional poultry dish, if given a choice, I'll take the fish or seafood, thanks. That I have no problem eating, and love it.
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We like seafood, and need to eat more, but here in KY GOOD fish is expensive. We have the same problem that Maurice does. We can get fish that's cheap, but I have trouble choking it down. Seems that most less expensive fish has been handled badly, or not frozen quickly enough, and is therefore "fishy" tasting, which I understand is usually a function of lack of freshness. Seems that whenever we're at the coast, fish is readily available in local markets that's reasonable and very good. I suppose that's a penalty for living too far inland....
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Anyone watch the tv show 'Surviving in the Wild' on the Discovery Channel? I was watching that today and the host of the show was in Africa. He came across a Zebra that had been killed and eaten by a tiger. He said he knew the carcass was fresh because the nearby vultures were so fat from their Zebra meal, they couldn't fly away. He took a knife and skinned a portion of the remaining animal and dug out some meat. Yup, stuffed his face with uncooked Zebra flesh.

I guess when your in the wild your not too concerned with a meatless diet.
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Anyone watch the tv show 'Surviving in the Wild' on the Discovery Channel? I was watching that today and the host of the show was in Africa. He came across a Zebra that had been killed and eaten by a tiger. He said he knew the carcass was fresh because the nearby vultures were so fat from their Zebra meal, they couldn't fly away. He took a knife and skinned a portion of the remaining animal and dug out some meat. Yup, stuffed his face with uncooked Zebra flesh.

I guess when your in the wild your not too concerned with a meatless diet.
DH and I saw that particular show recently. What a trip! It really freaked me out. I think that's the same show where he squeezed the liquid out of camel dung and drank it. Boy, what a job!
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DH and I saw that particular show recently. What a trip! It really freaked me out. I think that's the same show where he squeezed the liquid out of camel dung and drank it. Boy, what a job!
That was partially digested camel dinner, but still gross. Most meat can be eaten after it is a bit spoiled, you just have to cook it longer, much, much longer. As one survival manuel I have described it, "...the longer the better. It is best if boiled, that way the water can break down the meat and make it a bit more tender."
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