Join Early Retirement Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Experiences with Perio Protect Method for dental gum disease?
Old 06-14-2011, 11:36 AM   #1
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 184
Experiences with Perio Protect Method for dental gum disease?

Anyone have experience with a dental gum procedure called Perio Protect Method? Do you know of any cheaper alternative approach?

Some background. I went to medicare dentist yesterday (Monday 6/13) and after doing an ultrasonic deep cleaning & gum examination, he said I have mostly gum-tooth separation in the 3-4 mm range and two in the 5-6 mm range. He recommended a Perio Protect system. It is a ďnon-invasive treatment for oral bacteria associated with gum diseaseĒ. It basically is an upper tray & lower tray made from dental molds which hold a proprietary gel & doctor proscribed medication. It is designed to put medication into gum pockets, space between teeth & gum's. ďThis space is beyond the reach of toothbrush or floss.Ē He wants $1400 just for the molds.

I did a tooth whitening a couple years back & had molds made. They were not any where near this expensive.

So is there a less expensive alternative? Is this approach even effective? I know for teeth whitening there are dramatically less expensive approaches using molds and equivalent gels.


Since dental insurance does not pay for this, Iím going to call some other dentists and get competitive prices & opinions (if possible). I'm also going to do a web search to see whats in the proprietary jell & medication and if whitening sites also have similar gum items.


Anyone have any experience with this or potential other solutions?
__________________

__________________
HpRyder is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 06-14-2011, 11:52 AM   #2
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
DFW_M5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 4,982
How about brushing a few times per day with a peroxide/baking soda solution, using a vibrating tooth brush, and combine that with some meticulous flossing after every meal?
__________________

__________________
DFW_M5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2011, 03:22 PM   #3
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 184
DFW_M5, thanks for your reply.
I already brush 2/day with such a tooth brush for 2min each time. Approximately 30 sec/quadrant. Floss in the evening after dinner. Dentist says this will only reach 3 mm at the most if I get lucky. Not the 5 & 6 mm in the back that he says I need.

Any other suggestions / alternatives anybody?
__________________
HpRyder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2011, 03:27 PM   #4
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
MasterBlaster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 4,359
Some dentists are great and have you and your best interests in mind.

Others are drilling for dollars on real or imagined / major or minor issues.

I have my suspicions about which camp your dentist falls in.
__________________
MasterBlaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2011, 03:33 PM   #5
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
powerplay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,380
A couple of opinions found by Google search:

Perio Protect - What You Should Know

Oral Surgery: Perio Treatment, periodontal disease treatment, gum recession


I don't have any personal experience with the product nor know anyone who has. The product sounds that it may be to good to be true. You could ask your dentist if he can provide any references to studies or trials that have been done on the product.
__________________
powerplay is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2011, 03:43 PM   #6
Moderator
Alan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Eee Bah Gum
Posts: 21,105
I've had periodontal problems for 35 years and I have had great success with a waterpik. You also need to keep up the flossing.

Add some listerine to the water in the water pik while using it, and then flush out the waterpik with water afterwards for maintenance.
__________________
Retired in Jan, 2010 at 55, moved to England in May 2016
Now it's adventure before dementia
Alan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2011, 03:45 PM   #7
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
calmloki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Independence
Posts: 5,459
Hygienist suggested Crest Clinical toothpaste and not rinsing it out. Yummy. I also use a water pic with a bit of diluted mouthwash at a low pressure to flush pockets.

Ah - just as Alan says, though I use dilute Crest Pro Health mouthwash in the Waterpic rather than Listerene mostly. The Listerene feels great but I've concerns about it damaging the gums
__________________
calmloki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2011, 05:58 PM   #8
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 184
OK, the web has too many conflicting opinions, several of which say passive chemical treatment is not affective is dislodging plaque, so before I start competitive pricing I called the insurance (Delta Dental) and they suggested the dentist call them for a periodontist consultation authorization. So I'll try & see a periodontist not associated with the dental firm.

In the meantime, since Father day sales are on, I'll switch from a vibrating tooth brush to a water pick.

So it looks like any action on the Perio Protect Method is on hold until I get a consult. Before I spend that kind of money, I want to have a better confidence level that it will work.
__________________
HpRyder is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2011, 08:18 PM   #9
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
calmloki's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Independence
Posts: 5,459
Quote:
Originally Posted by HpRyder View Post
...
In the meantime, since Father day sales are on, I'll switch from a vibrating tooth brush to a water pick.

....
Nonono - ADD the waterpic to your regimen. I rinse with Hydrogen peroxide, then floss, then vibrating brush w/ toothpaste and baking soda, then waterpic. Probably should waterpic before the brush, but so it goes.
__________________
calmloki is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2011, 10:52 PM   #10
Dryer sheet wannabe
Chickadee's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 12
Is there a dental college near where you live? If so, that might be an option to find alternatives, or a second opinion. The schools often offer two options: students (they are supervised by an instructor who is a dentist, and each step is inspected by the instructor), and faculty practice (the dentists who teach the students also see patients separately).

About 15 years ago, when I was in my 20s, I went to a regular dentist about a cavity on the outer side of one of my back upper teeth. Because that tooth already had the center filled due to a crack when I was a kid, the dentist told me he had to do a crown and an inlay ... $3,000 !!! Since I didn't have that kind of cash back then, or dental insurance, I HAD to seek alternatives. I went to the dental school nearby, was examined by one of the staff (a consultation), then one of the student dentists filled the cavity a few days later (for $75!, including x-rays). They are graded on how well they do, so there is incentive to do a good job. My experience was very positive. Now, the dentist I see regularly is part of the faculty practice of that same dental college, where he teaches students, and also sees his own patients on campus. I have to always pay up front, but the staff submits everything to my dental insurance for me, and so far I have always received 100% reimbursement (thankfully, no problems since 15 years ago).
__________________
Chickadee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2011, 02:38 AM   #11
Moderator
Alan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Eee Bah Gum
Posts: 21,105
Quote:
Originally Posted by calmloki View Post
Nonono - ADD the waterpic to your regimen. I rinse with Hydrogen peroxide, then floss, then vibrating brush w/ toothpaste and baking soda, then waterpic. Probably should waterpic before the brush, but so it goes.
+1

I use the waterpic immediately before using my electric toothbrush.
__________________
Retired in Jan, 2010 at 55, moved to England in May 2016
Now it's adventure before dementia
Alan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2011, 11:32 AM   #12
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 291
Not to highjack the thread, but can everyone in the family use the same Water Pik with their own tip or whatever that piece is called, or does everyone need their own applicance?
__________________
bubba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2011, 11:45 AM   #13
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,988
Quote:
Originally Posted by bubba View Post
Not to highjack the thread, but can everyone in the family use the same Water Pik with their own tip or whatever that piece is called, or does everyone need their own applicance?
Water Piks units come with changeable tips...so everyone can have their own.

omni
__________________
omni550 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-18-2011, 01:21 PM   #14
Thinks s/he gets paid by the post
growing_older's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 2,608
I'm also a big fan of waterpik. Using it regularly substantially reduced pocket sizes that were developing. Also, compared to $1400 just for molds, it's very inexpensive. You can buy everyone their own device if you want. I like the cordless one, and I can waterpik in the shower. I got my son his own so we don't have to hassle with tips.

Soon there will also be a new airfloss machine from sonicare.

I'd be skeptical that a one time chemical bath will be all that effective, and wow is it expensive. If it were me, I would work hard to exhaust the less expensive alternatives before I tried it.
__________________
growing_older is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2011, 12:07 AM   #15
Full time employment: Posting here.
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 619
HPRyder--I have had a procedure that is basically a soft tissue graft done by a periodontist. It was a surgical procedure where a small patch of skin is harvested from the roof of the mouth and grafted onto the area where the pocket is forming. I'm not sure how much the procedure cost since I have fairly comprehensive dental insurance. The recovery was fast and easy, and my results outstanding.

Personally, I believe that going to a periodontist for treatment was the best thing I could have done. I return to the periodontist for maintenance cleaning three times a year. I plan to hang onto my teeth and I'm willing to do whatever necessary to keep 'em.
__________________
SarahW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2011, 09:39 AM   #16
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 184
Good idea Calmloki & Alan, Iíll add it.

Chickadd, good idea. Iíll ask around at Cal State Univ. Fullerton & Cal State Irvine.

SarahW, I want to avoid having that kind of a procedure so Iím putting in the effort now. The dentist recommended cleaning every quarter. Iíll see what the periodontist says.

The dentist front office is suppose to get a periodontist referral authorization from the insurance co. I'll be calling them today to see if it's come in. I've already told them I want an out-of-office referral for a second opinion.
Yesterday a Hydro Floss Oral Irrigator from Amazon arrived. MBI, who works as a CS for a photographic dental eq. broker on the east coast recommended this brand.

Thanks for the suggestions all. Iíll keep you updated.
__________________

__________________
HpRyder is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
walking while chewing gum. calmloki Other topics 2 08-18-2010 09:48 AM
Gum Pain? rsingh6675 Health and Early Retirement 24 10-02-2009 08:34 AM
Gum Grafts - Anyone Had It Done? jdmorton Health and Early Retirement 21 03-15-2009 10:46 PM
ExSmoker and Nicotine Gum Ol_Rancher Health and Early Retirement 2 11-17-2006 10:14 PM
Why Did I Buy That Dry Bubble Gum? JPatrick FIRE and Money 25 08-17-2005 07:38 PM

 

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:46 AM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.