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Old 12-12-2014, 12:13 PM   #21
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I would assume that the cash flow isn't an issue for you, so why not just settle up with the IRS at tax time? Save all that thinking
Because if your income is low enough (less than 250% FPL), you'd lose some nice cost-sharing bennies for Silver plans doing it this way. Better to underestimate income as much as you think you can get away with (within reason) then pay the diff at tax time if you go over your estimate.
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Old 12-12-2014, 01:01 PM   #22
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The cost sharing massively reduces max OOP (at least on covered ca).


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Old 12-12-2014, 10:30 PM   #23
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Because if your income is low enough (less than 250% FPL), you'd lose some nice cost-sharing bennies for Silver plans doing it this way. Better to underestimate income as much as you think you can get away with (within reason) then pay the diff at tax time if you go over your estimate.

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Old 12-14-2014, 02:35 PM   #24
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I applied for a BCBS bronze plan through the Marketplace on the evening of Dec 11. The website says my application is "completed" and I'm now waiting to hear from BCBS-TX (no emails yet).

My Eligibility Notice (emailed to me, as well as posted in "Messages" in my account) from healthcare.gov says that I need to send "proof of your 2015 income" by March 11, 2015.

2013 was my last year of w*rk before being "released from service." I had one month of wages, 6 weeks of unused vacation, 26 weeks of UI in 2013, as well as dividends, capital gains, and about $1000 in SE income.

2014 will have only the SE income, dividends and capital gains. 2015 should look a lot like 2014, without the SE income (business closing on 12.31.2014).

I'm assuming that I can provide my 2014 1040 (which I hope to have done by March 11) as well as a cover letter explaining the income drop from 2012 to 2013 to 2014, and that will make them happy.

Not sure how to make a PDF of these documents, though. Maybe FedEx/Kinko's can do that from printed docs?
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Old 12-14-2014, 03:09 PM   #25
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Not sure how to make a PDF of these documents, though. Maybe FedEx/Kinko's can do that from printed docs?
Yes, most of these places can scan a document into a PDF file. If you used TurboTax, it will output a PDF of your complete tax return for you as well.

I have no idea what sort of proof is required and I don't know a thing about insurance but getting a PDF shouldn't be a problem.
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Old 12-14-2014, 08:29 PM   #26
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Not sure how to make a PDF of these documents, though. Maybe FedEx/Kinko's can do that from printed docs?
Most print screens also allow you to save the page as a pdf file.

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Old 12-14-2014, 08:38 PM   #27
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I expect I will just pay the whole bill and settle up at the end of the year. I expect I will not be at a level that will have cost sharing on the deductible, but may have discounted premium.

You may want to be careful about having too little income as you may fall off the bottom and have to go on medicaid. Not sure how this works out when you get an ACA plan and find out at the end of the year that you did not qualify for it.
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Old 12-14-2014, 08:59 PM   #28
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Thanks to some unexpectedly large cap gain and dividend distributions this month, I will barely clear the $45,960 max for a single person to qualify for a subsidy. I have a unrealized capital loss I can realize by selling some stock fund shares at a loss. Then again, maybe I should save that for next year in case I really need it!
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Old 12-15-2014, 11:38 AM   #29
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I did receive a letter at the beginning of the year requesting documentation of my income level, but never received a follow up. Right now I'm doing my tax return with a whole lot of guesstimations, so I can calculate the amount of my roth conversion, to keep me just above the Medicaid threshold. Oddly enough, the amount I've calculated is almost exactly equal to my federal refund (haven't had one of those in many year!)


I have a new letter in hand asking me to document my income. I suppose, once the TaxCut updates are in hand, I can send my freshly minted 1099 within that 90 days window ... or ignore it just like this year!
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Old 12-15-2014, 01:37 PM   #30
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You may want to be careful about having too little income as you may fall off the bottom and have to go on medicaid. Not sure how this works out when you get an ACA plan and find out at the end of the year that you did not qualify for it.
There's plenty of ways to add more income without docs. Selling on fleabay, craigslist etc. comes to mind immediately. The IRS isn't going to care about returns with padded income.

But yeah, avoiding Medicaid in many (if not most) states is something you definitely want to do.
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Old 12-17-2014, 02:56 PM   #31
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Just a couple of hours ago, I got to this point. I told the Marketplace that I was retired and my income would consist of only my pension of $36K based on a written estimate I have from Megacorp. I have until 17 March to submit the proof to the Marketplace . By then, Megacorp should have kindly deposited my first (of hopefully many) monthly stipends into my credit union account (supposed to happen 1 March, but you know Megacorps can goof), so I wonder if I should just wait until I actually get the real evidence or just use the estimate I have?

Also, the notice I got vaguely told me to mail it in ( without telling me to associate my username or case number or anything) or upload it once I was logged into my account. Well, I am logged in and I will be damned if I see anything like an upload button or a way to securely communicate. No wonder responses get lost...

Anyone remember how to upload an income projection response to the marketplace?
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Old 12-17-2014, 04:58 PM   #32
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We had to upload a document attesting to having gotten a 457b distribution,
and a pension document for 2014.

As I recall, I was given a notice in my message box asking for supporting documents.
I used a drop down menu provided to specify the type of supporting document I
was scanning and uploading. I received notice about 48 hours later that they had
approved the documents and that I was cleared to purchase insurance.


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Old 12-17-2014, 05:26 PM   #33
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An, never mind, I found it. Had to go back in an look at my application. Then view application details and there is where it is looking for an upload. Not very intuitive, but better than my aborted attempt last year when it came to a screeching halt after I had uploaded...and I waited...and waited... and waited... and gave up. At least I can go ahead and sounds like I can get all the way through without their approval (until March)
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Old 12-17-2014, 06:04 PM   #34
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In past years we made 250k+, and now in 2015, we are retired and plan about a 60k income. We put together a PDF document with a cover page that was essentially a written letter about our retirement and a summary of the 6 sources of income that we expected next year. We then created a page for each source. Some were screenshots of the mandatory distribution page in the retirement account, some were actual pages of the prior year's tax return, etc. The summary page labelled everything 1 thru 6 and each of the subsequent pages was numbered 1 - 6, so the reviewer could x-ref it back.

We just got our subsidy approval letter in the mail yesterday, so it was accepted!


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Thank you for this info. I will be applying January for ACA insurance to start in February.


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Old 12-17-2014, 08:04 PM   #35
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Only the government could require something as ridiculous as "proof" of income for a year that hasn't even started yet...
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Only the government could require something as ridiculous as "proof" of income for a year that hasn't even started yet...
Only if you want an advance on a tax credit that you wouldn't otherwise get until you file next year's tax returns in 2016.

The premium support people may get is based on their income. The premium support is prepayment of a tax credit. The amount of premium support is the tax credit from the year's income, prepaid in 12 monthly increments. The exchange asks for estimated income to estimate eligibility and amount of any premium support the applicant may be eligible for.

If one wants an advance on tax credits, one must provide an advance on their income estimate with documentation or an explanation to substantiate the estimate.

It is actually not very complicated. Of course, it is in the interest of some people to make it appear as complex as possible. This may be used to sell books, services, and of course, TV commercials.
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Old 01-09-2015, 04:19 PM   #37
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We just had our income verified by Covered California. Basically as others have suggested, we wrote a short letter stating our situation (change in employment) and broke down our estimated income for 2015 (1099 dividends, withdrawals from retirement accounts). For 1099 income, we also included tax statements for previous years providing support for the amount we claimed. For retirement withdrawals, we simply stated the amount we planned to take (actually roth conversions) but provided no supporting documents.

On covered CA we uploaded our letter as an "affadavit".
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In the ene it likely won't make a difference how well your income is documented since it will all come out in the wash at tax filing time. If you've underpaid you will pay the difference and if you've overpaid you will receive a reduction in the tax you owe.

What does make a difference is qualifying for Medicaid or qualifying for cost sharing on a Marketplace policy. These situations are where documentation may be critical.
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In the end it likely won't make a difference how well your income is documented since it will all come out in the wash at tax filing time. If you've underpaid you will pay the difference and if you've overpaid you will receive a reduction in the tax you owe.
If the premium subsidy received is higher than it should have been, there are caps on the repayment amount for those between 100%-400% of the Federal Poverty Level (FPL).

https://news.leavitt.com/wp-content/...-Repayment.pdf

Those who received a premium subsidy based on estimated income do not need to repay if their actual income falls below 100% FPL.

Consumers Whose Income Drops Below Poverty Get Break On Subsidy Payback | Kaiser Health News
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Actually received a letter from them yesterday stating they received and reviewed the documents I uploaded. The documentation was acceptable and no further action was needed.

Painless mostly other than making a PDF of some tax documents.
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