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Old 01-27-2013, 03:05 PM   #21
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I am volunteering at a free clinic right now. Posting from my iphone between 2 patients. Sorry for typos. But i have been following this thread, biting my tongue. Some of the remarks above are too tough. Obviously some people have no idea how beneficial some of these supplies are until THEY or their families are affected. End of rant. I will not post again under this thread.
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I don't know who you are talking about, but I know that such devices are very convenient and beneficial. Maybe the idea of restricting medical insurance to medical purposes is too fine a distinction.
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Obviously some people have no idea how beneficial some of these supplies are until THEY or their families are affected. End of rant. I will not post again under this thread.
I won't post anymore on this either. I yield to the "La Leche League Cloak of Unquestionabilty." Anyway, it's not the biggest waste of taxpayer money. But it's symbolic of two problems that are costing all of us dearly and draining funds from truly important medical care:
1) The cost of medical devices provided under insurance seems detached from market forces. Price a CPAP, a wheelchair, etc and see if their price seems close to right.
2) The legislatively mandated "medical" procedures and devices go well beyond the medically necessary.
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My DW was a full-time stay at home mom. She breast fed both of our children until they weaned themselves naturally. That is, until they could eat solid food from a spoon and drink from a cup.

She did not need a breast pump or baby bottles.
Working women , who are the largest group of new mothers today, need breast pumps. Not just so the baby can have breast milk while Mom is at work, but so that Mom's milk production does not shut down.

It is perhaps socialism of a backdoor variety, but what is more necesary than that a society reproduce itself? We have tended to outsurce our population maintenance to Latinas, which may have its downsides.



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Apologies for my post above which was strongly worded. I did not have a good day at the free clinic. Very stressful.
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I am volunteering at a free clinic right now. Posting from my iphone between 2 patients. Sorry for typos. But i have been following this thread, biting my tongue. Some of the remarks above are too tough. Obviously some people have no idea how beneficial some of these supplies are until THEY or their families are affected. End of rant. I will not post again under this thread.
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Working women , who are the largest group of new mothers today, need breast pumps. Not just so the baby can have breast milk while Mom is at work, but so that Mom's milk production does not shut down.

It is perhaps socialism of a backdoor variety, but what is more necesary than that a society reproduce itself? We have tended to outsurce our population maintenance to Latinas, which may have its downsides.



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When our kids were newborns at the breast my DW used a manual breast pump that I bought for about $10 or so at the drug store. When she went back to work after a couple of months, she pumped and saved the milk using LBYM methods.

A Cadillac high tech pump at no cost to everyone is not a wise use of limited healthcare funds.
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Yep, prosthetic and dentures all address a medical deficit. We agree.

Why are medical insurance costs skyrocketing: Ladies and gentlemen, I give you exhibit A, the multi-hundred dollar taxpayer breastpump. Doesn't treat an illness, but it is very convenient. Every mother gets one. Today's answer to the thousand dollar Pentagon toilet seat.

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Holy crap is that ignorant!

These types of decisions are usually made on a cost-benefit analysis. Spending beaucoup $$$ on diabetes disease management is a dang home run, cost wise. Does it cost money to do? Yep. Are there sometimes abuses of the system. No doubt. But it is still a home run for whoever is fitting the bill. Same deal with COPD disease management, and I wold be quite shocked if it were not true for anything that increased the incidence of breastfeeding.

As an aside, are you completely ignorant of how hard society has made it to have kids? The best predictor of whether someone will go bankrupt is not job loss, medical issues, etc. It is whether or not they have kids. You want to avoid the Japanese demographic nightmare? Put in place incentives for people to have kids, or at least make it easier. France figured out how to do this, we have not.
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What the hell is a manual breast pump? I started to envision a hand cranked apparatus and then forcible jumped my train of thought to a new set of rails because I do not go for that sort of thing.
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Back in the day there were manual breast pumps that had a bulb that the mother squeezed. Not very effective from a time or production standpoint. Few women used them for long.

I don't have an issue if they want to put a reasonable cap on what can be spent or putting an income rider on medical equipment. What I really want is evidence that they are used.
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I remember spending big buck$ at the time for a breast pump when DS1 was born. No insurance coverage at all and it was a sacrifice money wise but well worth it.
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Thanks folks, but while this thread is about health, it is at the wrong end of the scale to be associated with FIRE, and is definitely delving into politics....

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