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Old 09-03-2010, 06:02 PM   #21
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This may be snake oil, but I remember the wellknown blogger Erica Douglass tried this:
Amazon.com: The Amazing Liver & Gallbladder Flush (9780976571506): Andreas Moritz: Books

"Twenty million Americans suffer from attacks of gallstones every year. In many cases, treatment merely consists of removing the gallbladder, at the cost of $5 billion a year. But this purely symptom-oriented approach does not eliminate the cause of the illness, and in many cases, sets the stage for even more serious conditions. Most adults living in the industrialized world, and especially those suffering a chronic illness such as heart disease, arthritis, MS, cancer, or diabetes, have hundreds if not thousands of gallstones (mainly clumps of hardened bile) blocking the bile ducts of their liver. This book provides a thorough understanding of what causes gallstones in the liver and gallbladder and why these stones can be held responsible for the most common diseases so prevalent in the world today. It provides the reader with the knowledge needed to recognize the stones and gives the necessary, do-it-yourself instructions to painlessly remove them in the comfort of one's home. It also gives practical guidelines on how to prevent new gallstones from being formed. "

Erica seemed happy about the immediate results (it helped for a few days). Later she found out her problem was really celiac disease.
Science-Based Medicine Would you like a liver flush with that colon cleanse?

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Careful, you might be insulting some deities.

But I think you've got a point there.
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Removing the gallbladder sure seems like treating a symptom and not treating the root cause. What really was wrong and how will the issue manifest now that the (early warning) gall bladder is gone and can no longer speak to you?
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I had my first attacks at age 19 (1974) while in college. I think it was the horrible food in the dorms. I had the xray and the Dr. saw stones but he recommended that I try to control it with diet rather than surgery. I was able to control it for 9 years by avoiding onions, broccoli, cabbage, etc and fried foods.

In 1983 I was 28 and started to have attacks again. I was working and had good health insurance so I had it removed. Laparoscopy wasn't available yet so I had the regular surgery and was in the hospital for 5 or 6 days on a clear liquid diet. Then I was home for a few weeks before I could go back to work! I remember not being able to drive or lift anything for a while. I was on a restricted diet during recovery but not after that.

I'm glad I had it removed. No problems since then. My sister had an emergency with hers in her 50's and my brother also had his removed after having problems in his 30's.

When I had mine out I asked my Dr. to save the stones for me, I wanted to see them. They were opaque crystals and octagon types. I don't know why I kept them, but I still have them.

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Removing the gallbladder sure seems like treating a symptom and not treating the root cause. What really was wrong and how will the issue manifest now that the (early warning) gall bladder is gone and can no longer speak to you?
My gallbladder never spoke to me. It screamed. By that time it was too late and it had to come out.
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Removing the gallbladder sure seems like treating a symptom and not treating the root cause. What really was wrong and how will the issue manifest now that the (early warning) gall bladder is gone and can no longer speak to you?
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My gallbladder never spoke to me. It screamed. By that time it was too late and it had to come out.


Like I said, one go-around is usually enough to make most people run to the surgeon.
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Like I said, one go-around is usually enough to make most people run to the surgeon.
Ummm, hmmmm...twernt no fun turnin' into a maraca. I was tickled shatless to contribute to the ER of my surgeon....
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Removing the gallbladder sure seems like treating a symptom and not treating the root cause. What really was wrong and how will the issue manifest now that the (early warning) gall bladder is gone and can no longer speak to you?
I think she has a point here. I have the same question she does....
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My pains started a year ago, I was diagnosed with heartburn (they never did an ultrasound), had some relief for a while with anti-acids, till I had a persistent severe attack. I told the surgeon to take it out....NOW.
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