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Old 08-10-2011, 08:06 PM   #81
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So if he finds someone who makes him happy and who he wants to share his life with you would choose not to be around him when he was with that person?
Well, I guess I'm going to have to get used to it. I'm not going to exclude him from my life but I'm going to have to get used to a few things. You have to remember the era I came from, the early 50's growing up. I remember a kid in high school that was different in that sort of way and we all called him "queer". The word "gay" hadn't been invented. And we thought only guys were "queer". Never even thought about women being like that. That's how sheltered a life I led.
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Old 08-10-2011, 08:57 PM   #82
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Well, I guess I'm going to have to get used to it. I'm not going to exclude him from my life but I'm going to have to get used to a few things.
I wish I could hug you, Johnnie36. I read this thread right before I went to bed last night and I didn't sleep very well. I also thought about it at w@rk today. I am so glad to read what you just posted.

I sincerely wish you and your family the best.
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Old 08-10-2011, 09:17 PM   #83
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I wish I could hug you, Johnnie36. I read this thread right before I went to bed last night and I didn't sleep very well. I also thought about it at w@rk today. I am so glad to read what you just posted.

I sincerely wish you and your family the best.
Thank you so much for your kind words. It is so enjoyable to be part of this forum where every post kind of triggers a different thought process on the subject. Just when you think you are right about something, someone will post a view or thought that makes you think again. You know, "maybe I ought to rethink this" or give consideration to another view.
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Old 08-10-2011, 09:51 PM   #84
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Johnnie36, I would tell your grandson to go to another state and sigh up. I cannot believe that a tattoo would stop him from joining. If he wants in bad enough there are ways to get in. Recruiters have numbers they have to show. Maybe the area you are in they are already filled. To be honest I have never heard of such a stupid thing as for someone to tell him he cannot enter the marines because of a tattoo. Tell him not to give up. The Marines would suit him much better than being a sailor. Oldtrig
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This might have contributed to your grandson not getting accepted....

I heard a short blip on the radio news today. They said that the Marines are looking to reduce their ranks by about 25,000 people, so even those who are currently enlisted might have a difficult time re-upping. No mention was made of why they are reducing their ranks.

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Johnnie36, I would tell your grandson to go to another state and sigh up. I cannot believe that a tattoo would stop him from joining. If he wants in bad enough there are ways to get in. Recruiters have numbers they have to show. Maybe the area you are in they are already filled. To be honest I have never heard of such a stupid thing as for someone to tell him he cannot enter the marines because of a tattoo. Tell him not to give up. The Marines would suit him much better than being a sailor. Oldtrig
One of the first things a new Marine recruit gets is a physical inspection from a medical officer familiar with the tattoo rules.

One of the second things a new Marine recruit gets is a physical inspection from a gunnery sergeant familiar with the tattoo rules.

The next thing would be a phone call to the recruiting district CO.

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This might have contributed to your grandson not getting accepted....
I heard a short blip on the radio news today. They said that the Marines are looking to reduce their ranks by about 25,000 people, so even those who are currently enlisted might have a difficult time re-upping. No mention was made of why they are reducing their ranks.
The military is downsizing because the wars are winding down. I think I've heard a rumor that Army deployments are being shortened from 12 months to nine.

After DESERT STORM the force shrank from 1.9 million to today's 1.4 million, and a lot of automation has been implemented since then. It wouldn't be surprising to cut the force by 150,000-200,000 more.

By far the biggest "variable" expenses in the military are payroll & personnel.

While we were surfing this morning my daughter and I could see the USS CROMMELIN or the USS REUBEN JAMES frigates off Pearl Harbor. They were making bare steerageway and holding position. After they'd been in that spot for over an hour, I pointed out that they were underway because they finally had fuel to burn this quarter. However they didn't have enough to run racetracks around the ocean-- just enough to get away from all the pier rats and get some training done without interruption.

It hadn't really occurred to her that the Navy would limit her underway time because of budget problems challenges.
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Johnnie36, I would tell your grandson to go to another state and sigh up. I cannot believe that a tattoo would stop him from joining. If he wants in bad enough there are ways to get in. Recruiters have numbers they have to show. Maybe the area you are in they are already filled. To be honest I have never heard of such a stupid thing as for someone to tell him he cannot enter the marines because of a tattoo. Tell him not to give up. The Marines would suit him much better than being a sailor. Oldtrig
Thank you for the suggestion, but that has been considered. Remember, grandson's father is a former Marine top sergeant and former recruiter. If this could have been done, he would have done it.
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For some reason this whole thread reminds me of this story:

There we were standing in company/battalion formation on a Monday morning at Camp Lejeune, NC. A young Marine had reported in from Vietnam during the weekend. Unfortunately for him, his seabag was lost in transit. The only uniform he had was a Vietnam utility uniform in his carry-on bag. (Marines did not wear the Vietnam utility uniform in the USA and, remember, this was a time when Marines in uniform were often vigorously disrespected by the civilian population.)

So, the young Marine put on his Vietnam utility uniform and fell out into his place in the formation. As soon as the platoon sergeant spotted him, he shouted, "H*ll! Man! You can't wear that here!"
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Johnnie36, I would tell your grandson to go to another state and sigh up. I cannot believe that a tattoo would stop him from joining. If he wants in bad enough there are ways to get in. Recruiters have numbers they have to show. Maybe the area you are in they are already filled. To be honest I have never heard of such a stupid thing as for someone to tell him he cannot enter the marines because of a tattoo. Tell him not to give up. The Marines would suit him much better than being a sailor. Oldtrig
It doesn't matter where he is inducted. The Navy doctors and Marine officers at Parris Island or San Diego will have the final say on whether he is USMC material.
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Say what you want Nords, but the Marines made a man our of my son. He was so gung-ho that he finished high school early in order to enlist. He was at MCRD San Diego when his buddies were walking across the stage to get their high school diplomas. He actually "grew up" in the Marines. Came out bigger and stronger than I could have imagined and really cared about how he presented himself, grooming, dressing, manners, etc. We are so very proud of him. That was 20 years ago.

This is in effect what I am hoping for my grandson #1. If it works for him like it did for my son, all the trials and tribulations will have been worth it.
As a drilling Reservist who has command experience, I would have to second Nords info - the military is a changed place and it is drawing down quite a bit - between selective continuation boards, selective retirement boards, slowing down of promotions, decrease in overseas footprints (size of them, but spreading out over larger areas), climbing healthcare costs, inability to field weapons on time leading to increasing maintenance budgets for existing weapon systems, expansion of defensive area to the cyber realm and all associated with that, coupled with the record retention rates being experienced (can anyone find a job outside of the military right now), the recruiters are getting more and more selective. Hence, the perceived (and perhaps real) change in what will be accepted in terms of personal issues in a recruit.

From a command perspective, I would prefer not to have to 're-rear' someone else's children, however, I do see that some people need an outside kick in the a$$ to figure out that Mom and Dad are probably the best thing they have going. I've also found that many people who lack internal discipline require the external discipline that the military can provide.....sigh...oh, did I ever learn that.

In the end, I do hope that your son does the right thing and gets the opportunity in the military - my husband and I are trying to encourage his older son in the same direction - he sits at his Mom's house and in general is not doing much - time is passing. Even if he got away for two years, I think his life would be so much better. However, I have a girlfriend I've known from high school who is visiting me right now and she told me her older brother (in his 50's) is still living at home......yowza! She has some awesome parents for sure.
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Thanks for all the informative posts and advice. For now it look's like the Navy is the branch. I guess he just waiting forr the phone call. I'll let you
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