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Old 08-30-2016, 08:57 PM   #21
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I recently switched to a timed release 5 mg dose of melatonin and its an improvement for me, but I don't think 5mgs is a high dose..I've taken it for years.
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Have had insomnia since menopause began two years ago have tried most all the suggestions Lunesta help sometimes but only for 5 or 6 hours then wide awake but at least more or less rested Do not want dependency however so I mostly put up with it which is much easier to do now that Ive been retired a little while....sometimes high dose of melatonin works 5 mg...but again do not want to become dependent so use it rarely one thing thing i have not yet tried is that unisom that I think Car Guy suggested in an older thread...the type with Doxylamine Succinate.if it is still available might try it good to have several "aids" and only use them on those occasions when lack of sleep is really annoying me.... after two yrs most of the time i put up with whatever restless "rest" I may get each night

Or you can try HRT if you're a good candidate for it. Will solve your menopause problems including insomnia and anxiety if caused by estrogen depletion.


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I'm on HRT.....it has been no help with insomnia....gyno doc put me on it when i was in my initial panic about no sleep.......per same doc anything over 3 mg of melatonin is a very high dose.....but i really don't care if it works...even if only sometimes......it stays in my repertoire
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Google "biphasic sleep cycle" Middle of the night awakening appears to be a normal pattern. I usually wake up in the wee hours. When I was working it was stressful, since my day typically started at 5AM.

Avoid screen time in the middle of the night. This is a mistake I am making right now.😉

I do best when I get to bed early, then wake up and get out of bed and do something quiet, then go back to sleep.

I'm nowhere near where I should be with this, but oh well. Don't let the pharmaceutical companies convince ou that it's bad to wake up at night.


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Old 08-31-2016, 06:17 AM   #25
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Google "biphasic sleep cycle" Middle of the night awakening appears to be a normal pattern. I usually wake up in the wee hours. When I was working it was stressful, since my day typically started at 5AM.

Avoid screen time in the middle of the night. This is a mistake I am making right now.😉

I do best when I get to bed early, then wake up and get out of bed and do something quiet, then go back to sleep.

I'm nowhere near where I should be with this, but oh well. Don't let the pharmaceutical companies convince ou that it's bad to wake up at night.


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Between an old man's hypertrophic prostate (needing to pee a lot), and achy joints, there is no way I'm sleeping more than a few hours in a row. A good night for me is one where I may wake up a few times, do my thing which is visit bathroom AND while doing that I'm getting some of the kinks out of my back, hips, shoulders etc. and then (again this is a good night) finding a comfortable position back in bed and get a few more hours in before I have to repeat the process.

Generally, if I can get comfy, I can and will fall asleep. If not, just resting in bed comfortably, and deep breathing will get you about 90% of the physiologic benefit of actual sleep (or so Deepak Chopra claimed on an episode of Dr. Oz).
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My sleep has been a bit worse the past few weeks, as I wind down my work life. I'm not anxious or unhappy, but I can't seem to get the brain to shut down when I wake WAY too early. Yesterday was my last day in the office and I didn't sleep much past 1:30am. Ugh - long day with that little sleep.

Hoping it gets better as I ease into the ER lifestyle.
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I'm on HRT.....it has been no help with insomnia....gyno doc put me on it when i was in my initial panic about no sleep.......per same doc anything over 3 mg of melatonin is a very high dose.....but i really don't care if it works...even if only sometimes......it stays in my repertoire
Actually up to 5mg is considered a okay amount according to the reading that I have done, it may interact with certain meds. For a doc to call that a "very high" dose is inaccurate IMO.
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Old 08-31-2016, 09:43 AM   #28
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I've had insomnia all my life, at least since grade school.

Things that work:
Careful with caffeine and other stimulus

Routines have one and follow it

Self hypnosis is great as is white noise

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Things that work for a while:

OTC pills for short term (benedryl, melatonin..)

Prescription drugs:

I became dependant on zolipidam, if you didn't sleep before you'll be amazed when your body rejects these types of meds. I didn't sleep more than 3 hours for 90+ days.

Trazadone is probably better than the modern prescriptions but use it as little as possible.


In general mom's advice is the best. Eat well, drink nothing and exercise. Remember no one's died from lack of sleep.
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Actually up to 5mg is considered a okay amount according to the reading that I have done, it may interact with certain meds. For a doc to call that a "very high" dose is inaccurate IMO.
My doc said that less is more with melatonin. He recommended 1mg or less.

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I've never had any particular problem sleeping. But there are 2 things that hasten my falling asleep. First I read for 20-30 minutes (in bed) and that makes me very drowsy. Then I listen to something quiet/meditative on my iPod shuffle and I swear I am zonked out within 5 minutes. (My iPod Shuffle has no screen, hence no glow. I don't know for sure whether or not the newer ones have screens.)
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I started taking 5mg melatonin back in May, when my work life turned upside down, and it helped a lot. I'm now sleeping a lot better with no drowsiness in the morning. Curiously, I find that not all brands are equivalent. After starting out on a small bottle from Walgreens (Nature's Bounty brand), I bought a big bottle of a different brand at Costco. (Unlike another one Costco sold, this claimed to be just melatonin and not mixed with random herbs.) It did nothing for me at all, so I returned it and went back to Nature's Bounty. My wife started taking it as well and she finds it very helpful.

You may need to experiment with dosage to see what's the lowest that works for you. The literature is all over the map on this, but 3-5 seems to be a popular choice.
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My doc said that less is more with melatonin. He recommended 1mg or less.

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If you want to go with your doc, that's fine, but I don't agree with his opinion. Most docs generally have a bias against natural remedies in my experience.Yet when the 1mg or less doesn't work, he most likely will be happy to write you a script for a "better" sleep aid.
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I started taking 5mg melatonin back in May, when my work life turned upside down, and it helped a lot. I'm now sleeping a lot better with no drowsiness in the morning. Curiously, I find that not all brands are equivalent. After starting out on a small bottle from Walgreens (Nature's Bounty brand), I bought a big bottle of a different brand at Costco. (Unlike another one Costco sold, this claimed to be just melatonin and not mixed with random herbs.) It did nothing for me at all, so I returned it and went back to Nature's Bounty. My wife started taking it as well and she finds it very helpful.

You may need to experiment with dosage to see what's the lowest that works for you. The literature is all over the map on this, but 3-5 seems to be a popular choice.
Agree and I do recommend time release for those middle of the night wakers.
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I have issues with this on occasion and when I have gone a few days in a row without restful sleep, I hit up one (or two) of these. Nothing else has worked as well for me.

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See if melatonin helps you. It knocks our grandkids out, and it's not a drug.

Tylenol PM does the job for many.

Stay away from Ambien--a product of the Devil. My father was in a haze on it. The doorbell rang while he was taking a nap, he jumped up, fell down and broke a hip.

I work very hard most days in retirement, and I go to sleep easy. My problem is I'll sleep 5 hours and get up for 2-3 hours, and then go back to sleep for another 2 hours.
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Chamomile, mint or a combination tea before bedtime always work for me. Or a little Milk of Magnesia (magnesium) with a glass of water chaser. When I can't sleep it seems to usually coincide with an over acid stomach.
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Ambien works for me well without any side effects, but my doctor is stingy and doesn't allow me to take it for an extended period of time. I use melatonin to fill in the blanks, but it doesn't work as well and I'm a bit groggy during the day.
I've tried just about everything people have mentioned with little success other than Ambien. But I will dispute the post about lack of sleep never having killed anybody. It contributes to heart disease.


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And stress and falling asleep while driving or using heavy machinery. It can shorten your life in more then a few ways.
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See if melatonin helps you. It knocks our grandkids out, and it's not a drug.
Regulators in every country other than the US and New Zealand would disagree with you. Outside of those two countries, melatonin is considered a prescription-only drug, so be careful if you pack it for travel outside the US. My wife and I had our doctor write us a prescription for it. Here in the US, the "supplements" industry convinced regulators to not classify it as a drug because it was a "natural hormone".
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My doc said that less is more with melatonin. He recommended 1mg or less.

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+1. I often take 1/2 of a 0.5mg chewable tab and that works well. YMMV

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