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Old 02-26-2012, 02:37 PM   #161
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From what I read the ratio of Triglycerides to HDL should be about 2.1 or less, not 3. Again, it is no wonder the public is confused. But, I think the medical establishment is still learning, so they are probably a bit confused also.
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Is your doctor old or young?
Young; about 38-40. And really good looking and obviously dedicated and intelligent.

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Does NON-HDL in the real world mean anything? My total would have to be 188 or lower to meet current OK levels. My Dr. is happy with my panel, given no history.

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Young; about 38-40. And really good looking and obviously dedicated and intelligent.

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Yeah, well check out my new doc, who I haven't met yet. Wow, huh?

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Yeah, well check out my new doc, who I haven't met yet. Wow, huh?

I think we both are in good hands.

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Does NON-HDL in the real world mean anything? My total would have to be 188 or lower to meet current OK levels. My Dr. is happy with my panel, given no history.

It looks like they just subtracted the HDL figure from total cholesterol.

Cholesterol is interesting. I could stop drinking, I stop stop using salt, and there must be one or two other pleasures I could give up, but I don't think I could get along without my fat. Tonight I had dinner at a son's house- three frenched lamb chops, and a raw chop of garlic and mint and a few other herbs, and I relished every lovely hunk of glistening fat on those chops.

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Oh, his advice?? - Eat Real Food.
Oh dear, what's real food? Non-processed food? As regards my diet status, I'm still being good with limited red meat in-take but still taking my carbos though at a reduced volume.
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: Oh dear, what's real food? Non-processed food? ....
see: LCHF for beginners | Dietdoctor.com
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The bolded area describes what happened to my MIL (found with a quick google search of Lipitor and memory loss). Started after she started taking a statin, stopped when she quit. She took a generic and that was about 5 years ago so it couldn't have been Lipitor.

The link between Lipitor and memory loss

Of the approximately eighteen million people using Lipitor in the United States, about two percent have reported side effects that involve memory loss. Reported memory loss can range from short-term memory loss, feelings of disorientation, and mild confusion, to profound loss of memory that has a strongly detrimental effect on everyday life.

While researchers are hesitant to attribute this kind of memory loss solely to use of Lipitor, many patients report a reduction in symptoms if they switch to a different cholesterol medication. (Note: Never stop or change your medications, or reduce your dosages, without consulting with your physician.)

Whether or not memory loss is caused directly by Lipitor, or by other factors, there are other measures you can take to help reduce any symptoms of memory loss and generally keep your brain functioning at its best.

Lipitor and Memory Loss | Does Lipitor Cause Memory Loss?
I saw this news story just now and immediately thought of this thread (yes, I do have a boring life):

Federal health officials are adding new safety warnings about risks of memory loss and elevated blood sugar to statins, a widely prescribed group of cholesterol-lowering medications.

FDA adds new safety information to statin drugs - USATODAY.com
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Think that's bad? Check out this poor guy's story, a medical doctor who nearly lost his memory completely from Lipitor usage.

Dr. Duane Graveline - Statins and Statin Side Effects


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My first book, Lipitor®, Thief of Memory, was written after my two bouts of transient global amnesia (TGA) associated with the use of Lipitor® in the years 1999 - 2000. Predictably at that time, I was focused on cognitive dysfunction and Lipitor®.

I soon realized the adverse reactions involved far more than impaired cognition, including personality change, myopathy, neuropathy and a chronic neuromuscular degeneration similar to ALS and all statins were contributing to these adverse reactions, not just Lipitor®.

It was in this climate that I wrote my second book, Statin Drugs Side Effects. This is when I learned what reductase inhibition really meant. The reductase step blocked by statins was at the very beginning of the mevalonate pathway.
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, but I don't think I could get along without my fat. Tonight I had dinner at a son's house- three frenched lamb chops, and a raw chop of garlic and mint and a few other herbs, and I relished every lovely hunk of glistening fat on those chops.
The sooner the public figures out that dietary fat is NOT the enemy, the sooner heart disease will begin to wane. Let's take lard. This is stolen from Gary Tubes...47% of lard is mono unsaturated which is good for hdl and good for ldl. 14% is steric acid, which is good for hdl and has no effect on ldl. 12% is poly unsaturated which is good for ldl and has no effect on hdl. 28% is saturated, which has everybody spooked, but it's actually good for hdl and, yes, bad for ldl. Bottom line is that EVEN LARD helps your number more than it hurts 'em! Enjoy your dietary fat!
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Something is not quit right with this whole cholesterol thing, but unfortunately I do not know what. As best I know, the large, well done studies like the West of Scotland study show very little correlation of death rates with LDL, but it is hard to keep these things in my head.
What's wrong is the people in power bought in to an incorrect theory and now cognitive dissonance keeps them from seeing what is now apparent after more data has been uncovered.
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Think that's bad? Check out this poor guy's story, a medical doctor who nearly lost his memory completely from Lipitor usage.

Dr. Duane Graveline - Statins and Statin Side Effects
Just finished reading the interview with the doctor and feel like I fall right in with his take on the effects of statins. I have taken various statins for years and still suffered a heart attack in 2004 and had cardiac bypass surgery. I'm still taking simvastatin and have noticed that over the last four years my muscle strength has been reduced dramatically. Three months ago I reduced my dosage from 80mg to 40mg. Recent blood work indicates continued good numbers on total, HDL and LDL with triglycerides
a little high at 175. Even though Im 75 years old I am really saddened at my loss of strength for a guy 6' 3" and 230 lbs. I can't hit a golf ball more than 175 yards, moved up to the gold tees and handicap still went from a 12 five years ago to to a 23. I'm thinking about talking to my doctor and telling I want to get off the simvastatin completely and let the chips fall where they may. That may not be a smart move but that is the way I feel right now.

Edited to add that DW also thinks my memory is shot. I keep telling her I only remember the things that are important. According to her, then I don't think anything she says is important.
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I am a retired nurse. Working in orthopedics a LARGE percentage of my patients were obese. On television you see shows about people who weigh over 500 pounds and may think they are an oddity. You probably do not see many of them out and around in your community because they are usually not very ambulatory. Working in a hospital, at least here in the south you see a bunch of them. When orthopedic nurses are giving report to the oncoming nurses at shift change and they say that a patient is diabetic the incoming nurse should envision a fit and healthy person who carefully manages their disease. Instead we envision an obese patient who has poorly controlled diabetes and our envisioned image was virtually always accurate. If one of my diabetic patients wanted something to drink besides water and I offered choices including tea, coffee, milk and diet cola, 90% of those diabetic patients would specifically request regular cola instead. When I said that diet cola would be a better choice they universally said they would not drink it because they disliked the taste. Official policy on our floor was to attempt to educate but give the patient whatever they wanted in the end. Diabetes is a terrible disease and it seems that patients and the medical profession are doing a very poor job managing and treating it.

I have been preaching and living the low fat mantra for almost 20 years. Along the way I cut back on sweets and "visible" sugars. I did know that the hidden sugars were a problem but was not aware how big that problem was. I have sort of kept my weight under control (5 feet 7, 165 pounds) with calorie counting and exercise but I have always been HUNGRY. For all that time I have been perplexed that our society seemed to be gaining lots of weight while all around them they were seemingly bombarded with low fat foods and info. After having watched Dr. Lustig and the dietdoctor videos and doing some more reading I am as of today switching to a HFLC diet.
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Here's a link my wife put on fb wall today: Healthy Oils, Healthy Fats

It took some doing, but I've converted her.
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I have CAD (Coronary Artery Disease aka plaque in my heart veins). I have been able to stabilize that plaque (stop the growth), and truly believe that I will achieve regression (heart disease reversal) within the next 12 months. The program that is working for me is one developed by a preventive cardiologist out of Milwaukee named Bill Davis. His program is online at Track Your Plaque Heart Disease Prevention and Reversal Online I work that program with the aid of my local preventive practitioner (an Internist) who believes in it 100%. It is not mainstream medicine, but for me, mainstream medicine wasn't working. It's a bit overwhelming at first, but like everything, it gets easier to absorb if you keep working it.
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I have CAD (Coronary Artery Disease aka plaque in my heart veins). I have been able to stabilize that plaque (stop the growth), and truly believe that I will achieve regression (heart disease reversal) within the next 12 months. The program that is working for me is one developed by a preventive cardiologist out of Milwaukee named Bill Davis. His program is online at Track Your Plaque Heart Disease Prevention and Reversal Online I work that program with the aid of my local preventive practitioner (an Internist) who believes in it 100%. It is not mainstream medicine, but for me, mainstream medicine wasn't working. It's a bit overwhelming at first, but like everything, it gets easier to absorb if you keep working it.
I'm not sure I'd use that site...seems overly product centric. I'd be looking for a 'helpful site that gave guidance, like 'just buy your vitamin d, coq10, and whatever at Walmart, and for the rest, since it's hard to find, buy it here'. If your doc believes the testing is accurate and useful, my be. But you gotta think... if my test value is X, and last time it was .95X, what action will you take? If you don't have an action plan, maybe the test wasn't justified.
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Red Yeast Rice lowered mine by like 25%...I bought it online with no issues. Do your homework for sure.

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Red yeast rice is the product of yeast ( Monascus purpureus ) grown on rice, and is served as a dietary staple in some Asian countries. It contains several compounds collectively known as monacolins, substances known to inhibit cholesterol synthesis. One of these, "monacolin K," is a potent inhibitor of HMG-CoA reductase, and is also known as mevinolin or lovastatin (Mevacor®, a drug produced by Merck & Co., Inc).

Red yeast rice extract has been sold as a natural cholesterol-lowering agent in over the counter supplements, such as Cholestin TM (Pharmanex, Inc). However, there has been legal and industrial dispute as to whether red yeast rice is a drug or a dietary supplement, involving the manufacturer, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA), and the pharmaceutical industry (particularly producers of HMG-CoA reductase inhibitor prescription drugs or "statins").

The use of red yeast rice in China was first documented in the Tang Dynasty in 800 A.D. A detailed description of its manufacture is found in the ancient Chinese pharmacopoeia, Ben Cao Gang Mu-Dan Shi Bu Yi, published during the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644). In this text, red yeast rice is proposed to be a mild aid for gastric problems (indigestion, diarrhea), blood circulation, and spleen and stomach health. Red yeast rice in a dried, powdered form is called Zhi Tai. When extracted with alcohol it is called Xue Zhi Kang.
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