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Old 10-01-2014, 03:48 AM   #61
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To refuse a flu shot at any age is nuts because someone with the flu is a vector of a contagious disease.. flu shots provide 'herd immunity' for those who are susceptible.
For herd immunity the vaccine needs to be at least >80% effective. The flu shot isn't that effective (more around 60%). It's one of the reasons why not all countries have it in a standardized program.

For other diseases (polio for example) you are absolutely right.
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Interesting Read: Why I Hope to Die at 75 - The Atlantic

Setting a personal end-point makes ER even more important:

By the time I reach 75, I will have lived a complete life. I will have loved and been loved. My children will be grown and in the midst of their own rich lives. I will have seen my grandchildren born and beginning their lives. I will have pursued my life’s projects and made whatever contributions, important or not, I am going to make. And hopefully, I will not have too many mental and physical limitations. Dying at 75 will not be a tragedy.
Why not go all the way and join the group at Logan's Run??

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But I agree, I've seen some pretty active 75 year olds, I would not consider that any sort of hard limit.
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A former co-worker's husband completed the circumnavigation of Mt. Rainer by backpack in his mid 70's.
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So the 'Architect of Obamacare' is now telling us how decrepit, useless and expensive the over 75 crowd is.

Disturbing?

Logan's Run anyone?
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So the 'Architect of Obamacare' is now telling us how decrepit, useless and expensive the over 75 crowd is.

Disturbing?

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Mitt Romney?
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Mitt Romney?
Ok, I'm stumped! What did Romney say about old people?
Or do you mean that he was the 'architect of Obamacare' instead of Emmanuel/Obama?

Either way...Mr. Emmanuel's comments remain disturbing, IMHO
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Extremely interesting thread here. I think I am in the "If I'm healthy and active at 75, then by all means let's continue routine screenings and preventative care" camp. As others have said, I've seen very little quality of life in people over 85, and I'm guessing this will be the case for me too if I get there. I suppose ultimately it comes down to, are you getting (or anticipating getting) enough out of life each day to warrant whatever pain, money, time, and effort it takes to prolong it? One could always argue that, even at 85 and in poor health, you might be able to imagine something in your future that is really worth fighting and surviving another year or two to experience.
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Ok, I'm stumped! What did Romney say about old people?
Something awful, I'm sure...

I believe O-Care is fashioned after R-Care, thus Mitt being the "architect"...

I do not wish to sidetrack this thread with politics, but end of life counseling does not equal "death panels".
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Something awful, I'm sure...

I believe O-Care is fashioned after R-Care, thus Mitt being the "architect"...

I do not wish to sidetrack this thread with politics, but end of life counseling does not equal "death panels".
My only point was that Dr Emmanuel's article seemed to focus/imply on how the over 75 crowd is a drag on the HC system and life in general rather than those younger.

Had he not been heavily involved in crafting O'care, I'd have written him off as just a crank. His involvement with such however, coupled to his comments are one of those things that "make you want to go 'hmmmm'".

No biggie.
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My only point was that Dr Emmanuel's article seemed to focus/imply on how the over 75 crowd is a drag on the HC system and life in general rather than those younger.
Focusing on the specific age, 75, completely misses the broader point - end of life quality and costs.

Again, I wouldn't be surprised if they deliberately used "75" as the provocative headline to get people to read the article.
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