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newguy88 · 02-07-2008, 08:06 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/bu...jarvik.html?hp

The guy is not a cardiologist! I did not know that. Statin drug use and advertisements. Wow!! Phizer, wants to sell Lipitor, by any means necessary!

Oh and he is NOT licsenced to practice MEDICINE!!!

poboy · 02-07-2008, 12:12 PM

Quote:

“He’s about as much an outdoorsman as Woody Allen,” said a longtime collaborator, Dr. O. H. Frazier of the Texas Heart Institute. “He can’t row.”

My favorite part of the article.

TromboneAl · 02-07-2008, 12:44 PM

Agreed. Bad ad.

Of course, most people who watch it will be thinking: "That guy rows good for someone with an artificial heart."

A854321 · 02-07-2008, 05:31 PM

Wow. That's bad. I didn't know he wasn't a cardiologist or even a licensed physician. From the ad, I thought he saw patients and prescribed it for them, as well as taking it himself.

The quote about Woody Allen is pretty funny.

Yea, it does degrade his reputation shilling for this drug.

NotSoonEnough · 02-07-2008, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TromboneAl

"That guy rows good for someone with an artificial heart."

haha · 02-07-2008, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A854321

Wow. That's bad. I didn't know he wasn't a cardiologist or even a licensed physician. From the ad, I thought he saw patients and prescribed it for them, as well as taking it himself.

The quote about Woody Allen is pretty funny.

Yea, it does degrade his reputation shilling for this drug.

This thread seems to be making strange assumptions. Dr. Jarvick has probably helped more heart patients than a whole city's contingent of cardiologists. He obviously understands the circulatory system, he invented the articial heart!

As for advertising Lipitor, doesn't the American College of Cardiology spend about half its time trying to find new candidates for Lipitor?

Maybe Dr. Jarvick feels that he is performing a public service.

As for his lack of a medical license, why should he have one? He spends his time inventing biomedial devices, not directly treating patients.

Who cares if he rows? He is not saying take Lipitor and you will be an athlete.

Ha

mickeyd · 02-07-2008, 05:46 PM

This is commonly known information. Dr. Jarvick is a medical researcher who is not required to have a medical license to invent stuff.

haha · 02-07-2008, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickeyd

This is commonly known information.

Maybe not commonly enough, reading this thread?

Jarvik Artificial Heart Pump Helps First Patient in Upstate New York - URMC Press Room

Ha

cute fuzzy bunny · 02-07-2008, 05:59 PM

Yep, I'm pretty sure that the guys at Ford who work on engineering engines may or may not be required to know how to rebuild a transmission or do body work.

But if one of them wanted to do a tv ad about synthetic oil, I'd listen to his opinion.

newguy88 · 02-07-2008, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haha

This thread seems to be making strange assumptions. Dr. Jarvick has probably helped more heart patients than a whole city's contingent of cardiologists. He obviously understands the circulatory system, he invented the articial heart!

As for advertising Lipitor, doesn't the American College of Cardiology spend about half its time trying to find new candidates for Lipitor?

Maybe Dr. Jarvick feels that he is performing a public service.

As for his lack of a medical license, why should he have one? He spends his time inventing biomedial devices, not directly treating patients.

Who cares if he rows? He is not saying take Lipitor and you will be an athlete.

Ha

Ha the ad makes it seem as though he is a cardiologist and sees and writes prescriptions for the drug to his patients.

The article is basically pushing the envelope. I quite frankly am amazed at his ability to create the artificial heart. However he should make it clear that he is not a cardiologist and is not liscensed to see patients. Even if it was put on the bottom in small letters. Too many people watch the ads on TV then say doc I want that . Is it good well maybe not.

Achiever51 · 02-07-2008, 06:32 PM

Diane Sawyer interviewed Dr. Jarvik about this on Good Morning America a couple of weeks ago. The part that I found interesting was that he did not start taking Lipitor until after he became their spokesman.

I have become very skeptical about all of the pharma ads directed to the consumers -- and my DH and I always enjoy the shopping list at the end of each of those commercials listing the possible side effects: "may cause headaches, nose bleeds, problems getting to sleep or staying asleep", and my all time favorite...."seek medical attention for any erection lasting four hours or more"

TromboneAl · 02-07-2008, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Who cares if he rows? He is not saying take Lipitor and you will be an athlete.

Yes, that is exactly what he is saying, just not in words. Actually, he's saying that if you take Lipitor you will not die because you are a sexy (for an old guy) looking athlete who does cool things like rowing a high tech skull in a mountain lake. Take Lipitor and say goodbye to your couch potato ways.

You're other point is a good one, though: He may not be a doctor, but he probably knows what he's talking about.

HFWR · 02-07-2008, 07:13 PM

I suppose you all look at the guys in Viagra commercials and say, "that guy can't really ****..."

Marquette · 02-07-2008, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Achiever51

"seek medical attention for any erection lasting four hours or more"

That's not the first thing I'd be seeking!

haha · 02-07-2008, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marquette

That's not the first thing I'd be seeking!

I was talking to a guy a week or so ago who worked with a group concerning themselves with advertising claims for ED drugs. These guys who were fairly young and didn't have ED problems tried the drug. My friend said that no one wanted to give it up because it is also a stamina drug. He also said if you really like to row a long time, use Levitra.

But apparently the regulators would not let them make claims for time, only that if you can't do it, this will help your attempts.

I have never known this guy to BS me, so I imagine there is truth to his statement.
Ha

NotSoonEnough · 02-07-2008, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haha

I was talking to a guy a week or so ago who worked with a group concerning themselves with advertising claims for ED drugs. These guys who were fairly young and didn't have ED problems tried the drug. My friend said that no one wanted to give it up because it is also a stamina drug. He also said if you really like to row a long time, use Levitra.

But apparently the regulators would not let them make claims for time, only that if you can't do it, this will help your attempts.

I have never known this guy to BS me, so I imagine there is truth to his statement.
Ha

FWIW, I suppose if someone needed advice on the effectiveness of ED drugs they may want to ask an "expert"...

Viagra ruining industry

cute fuzzy bunny · 02-07-2008, 08:51 PM

When I moved into the new house and did the whole house wipe down cleaning, in the cabinets over the fridge, on the top shelf, in the very back was a sample pack of viagra. One pill missing. Expired in 2000. Not sure if that was the last hurrah of the first owner who sold in 1998 or the house warming of the second owner.

Either way, it apparently didnt warrant a second dose. Ever.

Nords · 02-07-2008, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cute fuzzy bunny

Not sure if that was the last hurrah of the first owner who sold in 1998 or the house warming of the second owner.
Either way, it apparently didnt warrant a second dose. Ever.

Four hours later he was probably seeking medical attention...

cute fuzzy bunny · 02-08-2008, 09:46 AM

Or still running around showing it to people.

I'm still mused by its hiding spot. Not sure if it was being hidden from the kids or from the wife.

innova · 02-08-2008, 10:52 AM

Commercials like this would lead you to believe that Lipitor is the best option for lowering cholesterol, despite the fact that the majority of trials do not pit drugs in the same class against each other! In most cases the companies need only prove their products superior to placebo.

Why take Lipitor when generic simvastatin (or several others) is available for much cheaper? I'd have no problem 'trusting my heart' to a cheaper alternative

Did you know that Lipitor will be off-patent soon and this ad campaign is a push to get people to clamor for brand-name drugs?

Silly drug company games.

02-07-2008, 08:06 AM	#1
newguy88 Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,119	I think this is a blockbuster issue you might also . http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/07/bu...jarvik.html?hp The guy is not a cardiologist! I did not know that. Statin drug use and advertisements. Wow!! Phizer, wants to sell Lipitor, by any means necessary! Oh and he is NOT licsenced to practice MEDICINE!!!

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Achiever51 Full time employment: Posting here. Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Southeastern Michigan Posts: 770	Diane Sawyer interviewed Dr. Jarvik about this on Good Morning America a couple of weeks ago. The part that I found interesting was that he did not start taking Lipitor until after he became their spokesman. I have become very skeptical about all of the pharma ads directed to the consumers -- and my DH and I always enjoy the shopping list at the end of each of those commercials listing the possible side effects: "may cause headaches, nose bleeds, problems getting to sleep or staying asleep", and my all time favorite...."seek medical attention for any erection lasting four hours or more" __________________ The best things in life....are not things.

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02-07-2008, 12:44 PM	#3
TromboneAl Thinks s/he gets paid by the post Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 4,116	Agreed. Bad ad. Of course, most people who watch it will be thinking: "That guy rows good for someone with an artificial heart."

02-07-2008, 05:31 PM	#4
A854321 Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 272	Wow. That's bad. I didn't know he wasn't a cardiologist or even a licensed physician. From the ad, I thought he saw patients and prescribed it for them, as well as taking it himself. The quote about Woody Allen is pretty funny. Yea, it does degrade his reputation shilling for this drug.

02-07-2008, 08:51 PM	#17
cute fuzzy bunny Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Losing my whump Posts: 22,527	When I moved into the new house and did the whole house wipe down cleaning, in the cabinets over the fridge, on the top shelf, in the very back was a sample pack of viagra. One pill missing. Expired in 2000. Not sure if that was the last hurrah of the first owner who sold in 1998 or the house warming of the second owner. Either way, it apparently didnt warrant a second dose. Ever. __________________ Many an optimist has become rich by buying out a pessimist

02-08-2008, 09:46 AM	#19
cute fuzzy bunny Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso) Give me a forum ... Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Losing my whump Posts: 22,527	Or still running around showing it to people. I'm still mused by its hiding spot. Not sure if it was being hidden from the kids or from the wife. __________________ Many an optimist has become rich by buying out a pessimist

02-08-2008, 10:52 AM	#20
innova Recycles dryer sheets Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 172	Commercials like this would lead you to believe that Lipitor is the best option for lowering cholesterol, despite the fact that the majority of trials do not pit drugs in the same class against each other! In most cases the companies need only prove their products superior to placebo. Why take Lipitor when generic simvastatin (or several others) is available for much cheaper? I'd have no problem 'trusting my heart' to a cheaper alternative Did you know that Lipitor will be off-patent soon and this ad campaign is a push to get people to clamor for brand-name drugs? Silly drug company games.