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Old 10-30-2014, 07:17 PM   #21
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Old 10-30-2014, 07:34 PM   #22
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If Christy is going to isolate people who have been trying to save lives of people who have Ebola, a non airborne disease, then he should also isolate people who have the flu, an airborne disease. How many people have died of Ebola in the US and how many people die each year of the flu? Should we quarantine people who refuse to get the flu shot during flu season each year?
The Ebola issue has defaulted to the Governors level due to bungling by the CDC and a lack of clear direction from Washington. With pressure from a fearful and confused electorate I would probably do the same. Where's the Ebola Czar?
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I'm sorry but she sure seems to have an attitude. Why don't these medical "professionals" have the common sense to isolate themselves. The New York doctor that was out to a restaurant and bowling before he suddenly came down with ebola. This nurse out bike riding and talking to reporters. I just saw on the news where she was bike riding with her boyfriend with a police car following them. She told some reporters that she wanted to go to her favorite pizza shop. The pizza shop was fielding phone calls from customers that didn't want to come to that shop if she had been there. Is she arrogant or someone wanting their 15 minutes of fame or stupid?
I heard something on CBNC this morning saying it was okay to stop you from buying a "Big Gulp" in NYC but you can't be put in isolation as a precaution against spreading ebola.
Maybe it's their employment of REAL sense instead that makes them aware that there's NO reason that they should be isolated.

The Doctor didn't suddenly come down with ebola. The disease developed in him exactly the way it always does and when it did, he sought treatment. Until he became symptomatic, he was no risk to anyone else.

The confusion seems to be the difference between factual reality and fantasy fear.

Does it make sense that bald men be isolated to prevent women from losing their hair?
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Prediction: Time Person of the Year = Kaci Hickox
They do loves them a media whore, so it would not be much of a shock.
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Another physician in self-imposed quarantine:
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has a different attitude.
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The "difference" is that the doctor decided to isolate himself, and the reasons are his own.

In the case of Hickox, an arbitrary, unfounded confinement was imposed on her for no legitimate reason.

Worse than that, she was confined because of a politician pandering to the fear and ignorance of the public.
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Stanford doctor in Ebola quarantine in Bay Area - SFGate
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Good story. And he seems very understanding of Hickox (who didn't get to go straight home and whose quarantine in Maine is more restrictive than Bucks' is in California--he is officially allowed to go for walks and runs in his neighborhood although he chooses not to, while she is not supposed to step outside her door for any reason):

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“I’m very sympathetic to what she’s experienced. I think she was probably anxious to begin her isolation and have it be a restful time,” Bucks said. “I don’t want to put words in her mouth, but I understand what it means to work really, really hard and get back into the country. Everyone has their own process for re-establishing normalcy and getting their feet underneath them.”
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Thanks for the link. Haven't heard about this doctor. To me he's acting responsibly versus the nurse in Maine. Though I'd rather spend isolation in a tent than in my home. Easier and less costly to get rid of the tent than my furniture.
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I'll just note that she is a nurse and epidemiologist who tested negative for ebola multiple times, was and is asymptomatic, including no fever when measured by competent persons, and is not contagious. She does have some experience with the proper care and handling of this disease.

On the other hand, she is not a politician running for office, or worried about being painted as 'soft on ebola.'

Still, her experience with an airport holding cell/interview room and at Camp Christie may perhaps have disturbed her, even though the treatment was nothing as extreme as what some of our informed citizens out on the Internet have recommended.

Let's just roll with majority rule for disease control and management. All one need do is avoid the miasma... That'll work.

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I'll just note that she is a nurse and epidemiologist who tested negative for ebola multiple times, was and is asymptomatic, including no fever when measured by competent persons, and is not contagious. She does have some experience with the proper care and handling of this disease.

On the other hand, she is not a politician running for office, or worried about being painted as 'soft on ebola.'

Still, her experience with an airport holding cell/interview room and at Camp Christie may perhaps have disturbed her, even though the treatment was nothing as extreme as what some of our informed citizens out on the Internet have recommended.

Let's just roll with majority rule for disease control and management. All one need do is avoid the miasma... That'll work.

Wow!

That was nicely said.
I really appreciate that Asimov quote too.
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I believe voluntary means "of one's own free will". However she does seem a little arrogant too me.

Perhaps her actions will cause officials to swap in "mandatory" for "voluntary".
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Right, just because the population does not believe the assurances of a few self-nominated experts means that we all want to break open the craniums of university professors and feast on the goo within. Please.
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First off, I think the probability is she is negative. However, I find her actions totally irresponsible. It is not good enough to say 'she is a professional and she has not tested positive' The doctor in NYC was also a professional, did not test positive, until he did. The nurse that flew to Chicago also did not test positive until she did. In fact, patient zero in Dallas did not test positive, well until he did. Military personnel, who have not treated patients, ok to quarantine, nurses, No. Personally that makes no since to me.

I have no clue what the law says about the governments ability to legally quarantine someone. However, I seem to remember people being quarantined in the past for suspected diseases, although I don't remember specifics. I do feel politics enter into this on both sides, and I think it is evidence in some of the post here. In fact I am surprised the pig has not made an appearance. Bottom line is we elect public officials to make the hard decisions. Then one side of the other criticizes them when they do.
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The Ebola issue has defaulted to the Governors level due to bungling by the CDC and a lack of clear direction from Washington. With pressure from a fearful and confused electorate I would probably do the same. Where's the Ebola Czar?
Actually the Constitution puts the primary responsibility for public health with the states, not the federal government. All the feds can do is regulate interstate and international travel, the rest is reserved to the states by the 10th amendment. Quarantines have always been a state/local matter not a federal issue. The CDC can and does advise the states, but the states can reject the advice. The CDC's advice is clear but states have chosen to reject it.
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First off, I think the probability is she is negative. However, I find her actions totally irresponsible. It is not good enough to say 'she is a professional and she has not tested positive' The doctor in NYC was also a professional, did not test positive, until he did. The nurse that flew to Chicago also did not test positive until she did.

I have no clue what the law says about the governments ability to legally quarantine someone. However, I seem to remember people being quarantined in the past for suspected diseases, although I don't remember specifics. I do feel politics enter into this on both sides, and I think it is evidence in some of the post here. In fact I am surprised the pig has not made an appearance. Bottom line is we elect public officials to make the hard decisions. Then one side of the other criticizes them when they do.
Sometime in the mid to late 40s I had Scarlet fever, which is just an infection with one of several sub-types of streptococcus. I had a sore throat, and a rash. At that time, after the discovery of sulfonamides and penicillin, but before these drugs were released to the civilian population, there were no available effective treatments. Scarlet fever could progress into rheumatic fever which was a major bummer. I believe it could also destroy heart valves or cause a later kidney disease even if one did not progress to rheumatic fever. At least where I lived, children with this condition were quarantined until they were better. I remember that i got some toys from another child who had recovered from it, and when I was better I was supposed to either pass on my toys or destroy them. I have no idea how realistic this was.

But I am very sure that people did not flout the quarantine order. For one thing, that red rash was a dead giveaway, for another you felt like crap so staying in bed seemed like an OK deal.

Public health officials are no more honest with the population than other officials. It surprises me that so many members, normally very suspicious and skeptical about everything, are sure enough about the exact parameters of Ebola that that they heap scorn on members who are not so absolutely sure.

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Well what do you know: Ha and I have more in common than I thought. I had scarlet fever as a kid as well. I have never been sicker, not even when I had mono for a month in college. I wonder how common scarlet fever is?
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Hahaha... Did we have the same Constitution in the 30s?
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I'll just note that she is a nurse and epidemiologist who tested negative for ebola multiple times, was and is asymptomatic, including no fever when measured by competent persons, and is not contagious. She does have some experience with the proper care and handling of this disease.

On the other hand, she is not a politician running for office, or worried about being painted as 'soft on ebola.'

Still, her experience with an airport holding cell/interview room and at Camp Christie may perhaps have disturbed her, even though the treatment was nothing as extreme as what some of our informed citizens out on the Internet have recommended.

Let's just roll with majority rule for disease control and management. All one need do is avoid the miasma... That'll work.

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