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Old 10-31-2014, 05:28 AM   #41
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Actually the Constitution puts the primary responsibility for public health with the states, not the federal government. All the feds can do is regulate interstate and international travel, the rest is reserved to the states by the 10th amendment. Quarantines have always been a state/local matter not a federal issue. The CDC can and does advise the states, but the states can reject the advice. The CDC's advice is clear but states have chosen to reject it.
Unconstitutional acts by the states can and should be stricken down by the Federal courts (we are a nation of laws correct?)

No time like that of fear when this is most important (although perhaps uncomfortable in the short term)

I believe that is what we are ultimately facing here.

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Old 10-31-2014, 06:26 AM   #42
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Maybe we just need nicer places to quarantine people. Where she was being held sounded worse than a prison. Let's use one of the Disney parks, staffed by those who have no fear of the disease operating the attractions, hotels, and restaurants. Few folks would turn down a 3 week all expenses paid stay at one of those.
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Good to see her fighting for her 'rights', but if she defies a quarantine order and spreads Ebola to anyone, she should be prosecuted for attempted murder and face life in prison.

If she has been warned, and defies it, she is a danger to society. It is no different than an Aids patient spreading Aids. People have also been prosecuted for that. And civilly sued.
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Maybe we just need nicer places to quarantine people.
Maybe the Lincoln bedroom in the White House?
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These so called health workers have a lot of nerve having a great time overseas working in Ebola stricken countries, risking their own lives to stop the epidemic, then coming back here and expecting to be treated with respect. It was a perfectly nice tent, for gosh sakes.
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If the CDC had more credibility then people would believe that Ebola cannot be transmitted by someone who is not showing symptoms, is not airborne, etc. The problem is that the CDC has had so many missteps lately and is calling audibles so people don't have confidence in them.

I don't see a problem with states requiring isolation for people who go abroad to help the cause as long as the people know it is part of the commitment when they sign up. Given the mortality rate and how quickly Ebola has spread elsewhere, I'd rather see us be too cautious than they to deal with an epidemic later.
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If the CDC had more credibility then people would believe that Ebola cannot be transmitted by someone who is not showing symptoms, is not airborne, etc. The problem is that the CDC has had so many missteps lately and is calling audibles so people don't have confidence in them.
Even without missteps, I don't think there would be much difference in American opinion.

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I don't see a problem with states requiring isolation for people who go abroad to help the cause as long as the people know it is part of the commitment when they sign up. Given the mortality rate and how quickly Ebola has spread elsewhere, I'd rather see us be too cautious than they to deal with an epidemic later.

I think the big issue (besides civil liberties) is the impact it may have with the number of volunteers. Extra caution here probably means more deaths in Africa, a longer / larger outbreak, and higher likelihood that non-health workers (like Duncan) bring Ebola back. I'm far more worried about this latter case than an aid worker who will self monitor their temps.


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Good to see her fighting for her 'rights', but if she defies a quarantine order and spreads Ebola to anyone, she should be prosecuted for attempted murder and face life in prison.

If she has been warned, and defies it, she is a danger to society. It is no different than an Aids patient spreading Aids. People have also been prosecuted for that. And civilly sued.
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I remember those that were prosecuted for giving others AIDS.

I don't like what she is doing or how she is doing it. It doesn't matter that "she" doesn't have symptoms. "Someone", some medical professional coming back after working with Ebola patients probably does or will. How do you pick and choose? You can't. Hence the blanket quarantine.

I ask myself the question: "Do I want to be in a room with someone who has worked with Ebola patients." My answer is No.

If she is going to defy the quarantine, she should at least be made/asked to wear a scarlet "E". (a little tongue in cheek I suppose).

She wants her civil liberty choices?? So do the rest of us. And I for one would like to know if I am anywhere near a person like this.
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I'm not sure who I like least....... her or their governor. I definitely don't like her attitude. I would think there should be some reasonable middle ground.
+1. I can see both sides.

Polls seem to be overwhelmingly on the side of the Governors position (80% according to http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...a-quarantines/) so I have to assume he'd be getting a lot more grief if he went along with her!

And while I can understand her POV, despite being a nurse it's seems unlikely she has a better command of the science (her claim) than the entire medical establishment. The supposed experts haven't gotten it entirely right so far, and have evidently erred on the side of 'too little' several times already. For a medical professional, she's being reckless IMO, unlike the other known ebola cases in the USA who seemed to have chosen caution for public safety over "their rights." If I lived near her she wouldn't have to stay 3 feet away from me, because I'd stay as far away from her as possible...
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I was struck by her defiant bike ride. She rode her bike AWAY from town, the only people she saw were the press chasing after her. So far she has not exposed herself to the town, yet people still say she's awful, terrible, etc.

Look at her *actions*. She's been responsible.

As for her words - the legalities are probably on her side. There's no court order at this time. From what I've read for a quarantine to be enforced it needs more than an executive edict (Governor's office) - a court must review and determine if there is medical necessity. Until that court order happens, it's not legally binding. She's raising valid points. Probably out of anger at what happened in New Jersey.
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Hahaha... Did we have the same Constitution in the 30s?
Except those people were actually sick. This nurse is not sick. how does one legally quarantine people that are not sick? Sort of a 'witch hunt' mentality going on here.
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Interesting how many experts there are here...when the medical professionals don't even have all the answers.
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Except those people were actually sick. This nurse is not sick. how does one legally quarantine people that are not sick? Sort of a 'witch hunt' mentality going on here.
She might not be displaying symptoms, but she may have the Ebola virus. You can't know one way or the other until 21 days have passed since she has been exposed to Ebola. It seems foolish to take a chance with such a dreadful disease.
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Good to see her fighting for her 'rights', but if she defies a quarantine order and spreads Ebola to anyone, she should be prosecuted for attempted murder and face life in prison.
Attempted murder would not apply in that there is no intent. The best science that we have says that she is healthy.

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If she has been warned, and defies it, she is a danger to society. It is no different than an Aids patient spreading Aids. People have also been prosecuted for that. And civilly sued.
I could meet you probably half way on this part. We all personally have to manage our risks.

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I can see both sides of this, seems like ACLU vs science with the media stirring the pot.
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I was struck by her defiant bike ride. She rode her bike AWAY from town, the only people she saw were the press chasing after her. So far she has not exposed herself to the town, yet people still say she's awful, terrible, etc.

Look at her *actions*. She's been responsible.
Honestly, we probably need to quarantine these members of the press that were following her. They could have contracted it if she has the virus latent in her system and it's as transmissible as some fear.

As best as I can tell, that nurse hasn't acted irresponsibly. Has she visited restaurants and stores or taken public transit? Maybe she washes her hands frequently and is careful not to pick her nose or lick her fingers while in public.

The media is soooo sad that this Ebola thing hasn't taken off in the US. They are covering all the angles they can as diligently as possible (it gets the eyeballs).
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As far as I'm aware, she (1) isn't symptomatic, and (2) no one in the US has contracted ebola through casual contact. As far as the polls go, I want my medical procedures established by people who can't find New Mexico on the map...
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The media is soooo sad that this Ebola thing hasn't taken off in the US. They are covering all the angles they can as diligently as possible (it gets the eyeballs).
It does seem like that. The 'media' are so desperate to be relevant, regardless of their POV.
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She is fighting on behalf of science and against people in power who want to frighten their own constituents.

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Maine judge orders Ebola nurse to stay away from public gatherings, maintain 3-foot distance from people | Fox News

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Kaci Hickox, the nurse who insists she is Ebola-free after a stint in West Africa helping people suffering from the deadly disease, can probably continue to ride her bike and go outside, but movies, shopping and riding the bus are out under a court order issued Friday by a judge in Maine.
Hickox had said she will defy the state's effort to impose a 21-day quarantine on her, prompting state officials to go to district court, where Judge Charles LaVerdiere ruled Friday that the nurse must face some restrictions. But the judge's order bars her from using "long distance commercial conveyances or local public conveyances," forbids her from showing up at shopping centers or movie theaters and mandates she maintains a three-foot distance from others when outside.
"This decision has critical implications for {Hickox's} freedom, as guaranteed by the U.S. and Maine Constitutions, as well as the public's right to be protected from the potential severe harm posed by transmission of this devastating disease," LaVerdiere wrote in the two-page decision.
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