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Old 11-20-2009, 08:57 AM   #41
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Old 11-20-2009, 09:25 AM   #42
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Any concoction that will allow people with XY chromosones to experience hot flashes can't be all bad.

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Old 11-20-2009, 11:02 AM   #43
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Old 11-20-2009, 11:07 AM   #44
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Bunch 'O sissies thinks I.

I'm not a drug user. I avoid aspirin unless I'm really in pain. I definitely have never had any interest in experimental drug use. I don't know why I'm influenced by this forums’ posters, BUT... I decided I wanted to see what this Niacin stuff was all about. In the health food department of the grocery store I found Niacin (B-3) Caps. Crystalline pure, yeast free, dietary supplement, 500mg in a real glass bottle. "For best results, take after meals". Sounds good to me.

Home I go, pop one capsule, make myself a snack and a cup of tea and sit down at the computer. Food finished, sipping tea and surfing the net about 20 minutes after the capsule pop. I started to feel the anticipated warm face and tingling. No mistaking it now, distinct warm flushing feeling spreading down my neck and arms. This is "cool" I'm thinking. Never before have I experienced such a distinct effect from ingesting anything. Wow! About 10 minutes after the first hint of flushing I'm feeling really warm all over REALLY warm. Wearing a T shirt, I went outside where the temperature was about 45 degrees and I feel even hotter. This is a good way to fight the cold I think. By the time I get back inside those needles are jabbing me all over. This isn't good. It hurts. Back at the computer I start to feel a little dizzy and then realize I should be sitting on the toilet instead. Staggering, walking into walls, I made it to the bathroom in time. I experienced some nausea too but it lasted only a minute or so and thankfully I didn't vomit. Nearly fainting, narrowed vision and everything sounding like it was far away I made it back to the computer and looked up Niacin side effects. Experiencing nothing that wasn't on the list I was reassured that I would survive. I also read that the Niacin should be take AFTER eating and hot drinks like coco or tea could exaggerate the flushing.

About an hour after experiencing the first effect the needling feeling has subsided and I just feel like I have a mild sunburn all over. Face is still a little red but I can see and hear ok again. The dizziness is diminished. I felt exhausted, went to bed and had no trouble falling asleep in spite of my now moderate discomfort. Three hours later I woke up feeling pretty normal except for moderate itching all over. By morning everything was fine and I decided I wasn't going to do THAT again.

A little more reading suggested that aspirin could ameliorate the flushing effect.


Lunch time. Abandoning my resolve to never do it again I ate two aspirin, ate lunch and 30 minutes after the aspirin intake I swallowed another Niacin capsule. I went to the computer without my cup of tea and strapped myself down to wait for the next episode. Without the experience from the night before I don't think I would even have noticed the slight warming I experienced after lunch. That was it. Nothing else, Pfffht.

I'm gonna try it again today without the aspirin.
Well, I'm an experienced drug user. And as an expert I always recommend noobs start out a little easy. Seriously, when the doc put me on niacin I started with 100mg 3 times/day (after meals). Worked my way up to 500mg 3 times over a two week period. Back down to 500 mg twice/day now that I'm taking a statin too. I mean, seriously, that's why we have gateway drugs. Nobody should start out on heroin.
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my body will not tolerate statins, gimes me the case of the stupids, along with muscle/joint pains. My understanding is that the chief benefit of statins is their anti inflammatory function. That can be achieved with stuff a lot cheaper etc.....
This is interesting, and I'm looking for comments. I started on Simvastatin about a month ago. I previously complained about my blood sugar spiking after I started, but I've gotten that under control with some fairly serious dietary management.

However, about 2 1/2 weeks ago my right arm started aching in the shoulder and elbow. Serious aching, too, not really ignorable. It's bad enough that if it was in my left arm I'd be calling the paramedics. It feels like a combination of hyperextended elbow and a mild rotator cuff injury, plus significant limitation in reach and stretcing ability. I've been reading up on carpal tunnel, but the symptoms don't match. Now I'm wondering if it might be related to the statin. How does the joint/muscle ache show up in these instances? Can it be localized, like I have? Or is it general all over the body. I'm going to see the doctor in a week, but the more information I have the better. Any comments would be appreciated.
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Old 11-20-2009, 02:46 PM   #46
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Harley, my aches were general body, for me it was slowness initially especially while doing JuJutsu, Had to knock off for about 3 months, even white belts were whupping my ass, later with serious pain in my knees, less so in other joints. A fair amount of memory problems as well.

At one point barely could walk 50' from garage to house. Took a week or so to recover after tossing the statins. It was sneaky, took a while to realize what was going on. This was about 7 years ago for me.

Only way to tell IMHO is to knock it off for a month. Good luck.
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I'm not endorsing this, just passing on information found in an article in the latest "Life Extension Magazine" (www.lef.org). The article claims that 150 mg dose of the supplement "Quercetin" blocks 96% of the allergic reaction (flushing, and itching,) caused by Niacin, compared to a 30% reduction by aspirin. They sell a product called "High Compliance Niacin" which contains Quercetin and other supplements.
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Thank you for sharing your experience. Your story was funny and scary at the same time :->
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