Join Early Retirement Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 09-25-2015, 01:51 PM   #141
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
audreyh1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Rio Grande Valley
Posts: 16,535
DH had an occasional pre-beat (feels like a skipped beat). Not dangerous, just a bit unsettling. He cut out caffeine and it went away. After a few years while visiting family he was drinking the readily available caffeinated tea. After about four days he had a pre-beat incident. Switched to decaf tea only. Went away again. None since.

He drinks decaf tea and coffee - no problem.

It's worth a try.
__________________

__________________
Well, I thought I was retired. But it seems that now I'm working as a travel agent instead!
audreyh1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 Early Retirement and Financial Independence Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

Are you planning to be financially independent as early as possible so you can live life on your own terms? Discuss successful investing strategies, asset allocation models, tax strategies and other related topics in our online forum community. Our members range from young folks just starting their journey to financial independence, military retirees and even multimillionaires. No matter where you fit in you'll find that Early-Retirement.org is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with our members, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create a retirement blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 09-25-2015, 01:52 PM   #142
Moderator
Alan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Eee Bah Gum
Posts: 21,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by W2R View Post
That is still unsettling, I would imagine.

I don't remember - - have you tried completely eliminating caffeine? The reason I ask, is that my ex-husband had a similar problem and the Navy doctor told him to cut out all coffee and other caffeine sources. After doing that he never had another episode. Just trying to be helpful...
Quote:
Originally Posted by audreyh1 View Post
DH had an occasional pre-beat (feels like a skipped beat). Not dangerous, just a bit unsettling. He cut out caffeine and it went away. After a few years while visiting family he was drinking the readily available caffeinated tea. After about four days he had a pre-beat incident. Switched to decaf tea only. Went away again. None since.

He drinks decaf tea and coffee - no problem.

It's worth a try.

It is indeed unsettling, and I feel sure it will get worse over time, although doesn't expect it to get worse until after age 65. (I had my visit to the ER in March, 6 weeks after my 60th birthday )

The cardio doc didn't think I have been drinking enough caffeine to contribute to the cause. However, I immediately gave up almost all caffeine, only decaf coffee and no sodas at all since March, but I still have 1 cup of tea per day.
__________________

__________________
Retired in Jan, 2010 at 55, moved to England in May 2016
Now it's adventure before dementia
Alan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-25-2015, 02:00 PM   #143
Moderator
Alan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Eee Bah Gum
Posts: 21,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by RonBoyd View Post
In today's post on Medline's Atrial Fibrilation Blog was this article disputing the coffee connection to irregular heart beats.
Thanks for the link. However, for now I've given up of caffeinated coffee, it's a very small sacrifice.

Other than age I have none of the risk factors that the cardio doc showed me on the calculator he uses for stroke assessment due to A-Fib.

I was actually relieved not to have to go on blood thinning medication, other than an aspirin per day. I see the doc again in November.
__________________
Retired in Jan, 2010 at 55, moved to England in May 2016
Now it's adventure before dementia
Alan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 09:25 AM   #144
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
HFWR's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Lawn chair in Texas
Posts: 12,964
Quote:
Originally Posted by W2R View Post
That is still unsettling, I would imagine.

I don't remember - - have you tried completely eliminating caffeine? The reason I ask, is that my ex-husband had a similar problem and the Navy doctor told him to cut out all coffee and other caffeine sources. After doing that he never had another episode. Just trying to be helpful...

I'm pretty sure my BP would be zero without coffee!

As an aside, at my usual dental hygienist appointment yesterday, BP was 106/62. Not enough coffee...
__________________
Have Funds, Will Retire

...not doing anything of true substance...
HFWR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 12:47 PM   #145
Administrator
W2R's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 38,949
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan View Post
It is indeed unsettling, and I feel sure it will get worse over time, although doesn't expect it to get worse until after age 65. (I had my visit to the ER in March, 6 weeks after my 60th birthday )

The cardio doc didn't think I have been drinking enough caffeine to contribute to the cause. However, I immediately gave up almost all caffeine, only decaf coffee and no sodas at all since March, but I still have 1 cup of tea per day.
Not to beat this issue to death... But, both decaf and some tea contain some small but measurable amount of caffeine. This list is very illuminating:

Caffeine content for coffee, tea, soda and more - Mayo Clinic

I would go ahead and cut out ALL caffeine if it was me (YMMV and that is OK too! Just trying to be helpful.). There's a lot of money in the sales of caffeinated beverages and foods, and call me a cynic but I think that sometimes the allowable total daily caffeine levels may be a little high. Some people do have an extreme reaction to small amounts of caffeine and reducing your caffeine intake to zero for, say, six months would fully eliminate caffeine as the potential culprit. This would not be hard for you to do, now that you are consuming so little of it.
__________________
Already we are boldly launched upon the deep; but soon we shall be lost in its unshored, harbourless immensities.

- - H. Melville, 1851
W2R is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 01:14 PM   #146
Moderator
Alan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Eee Bah Gum
Posts: 21,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by W2R View Post
Not to beat this issue to death... But, both decaf and some tea contain some small but measurable amount of caffeine. This list is very illuminating:

Caffeine content for coffee, tea, soda and more - Mayo Clinic

I would go ahead and cut out ALL caffeine if it was me (YMMV and that is OK too! Just trying to be helpful.). There's a lot of money in the sales of caffeinated beverages and foods, and call me a cynic but I think that sometimes the allowable total daily caffeine levels may be a little high. Some people do have an extreme reaction to small amounts of caffeine and reducing your caffeine intake to zero for, say, six months would fully eliminate caffeine as the potential culprit. This would not be hard for you to do, now that you are consuming so little of it.
Thanks, I'm aware of the caffiene in de-caf drinks, and the cardio doc also mentioned this. I would have thought that if caffeine was the cause it would happen closer to the consumption of it. The incidents that have happened since the one in March that had me going to the urgent care center have all been many hours after the consumption of the last de-caf coffee or cup of tea.

However, I take your point and will try cutting out caffeine completely.

It's bad enough being an Electrical Engineer with a wiring problem in his heart, but an Englishman that doesn't drink tea?
__________________
Retired in Jan, 2010 at 55, moved to England in May 2016
Now it's adventure before dementia
Alan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 01:39 PM   #147
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
audreyh1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Rio Grande Valley
Posts: 16,535
Quote:
Originally Posted by HFWR View Post
I'm pretty sure my BP would be zero without coffee!

As an aside, at my usual dental hygienist appointment yesterday, BP was 106/62. Not enough coffee...
106/62 is a great number.
__________________
Well, I thought I was retired. But it seems that now I'm working as a travel agent instead!
audreyh1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 01:40 PM   #148
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
audreyh1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Rio Grande Valley
Posts: 16,535
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan View Post
Thanks, I'm aware of the caffiene in de-caf drinks, and the cardio doc also mentioned this. I would have thought that if caffeine was the cause it would happen closer to the consumption of it. The incidents that have happened since the one in March that had me going to the urgent care center have all been many hours after the consumption of the last de-caf coffee or cup of tea.

However, I take your point and will try cutting out caffeine completely.

It's bad enough being an Electrical Engineer with a wiring problem in his heart, but an Englishman that doesn't drink tea?
My husband's incident was not immediate either. Sometimes things accumulate or are delayed.

Of course your incidents may have nothing to do with caffeine.

My husband enjoys an excellent decaf Earl Grey from Murchies, and their decaf afternoon blend is good too. Drinking decaf tea doesn't bother him at all. When we travel to Europe he has to bring his own and/or drink herbal teas.

DH did a bit of web research to narrow down any possible environmental causes. He was lucky to find a solution for his case.
__________________
Well, I thought I was retired. But it seems that now I'm working as a travel agent instead!
audreyh1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 03:17 PM   #149
Administrator
W2R's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 38,949
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan View Post
It's bad enough being an Electrical Engineer with a wiring problem in his heart, but an Englishman that doesn't drink tea?
I hear you!

If you are going to completely eliminate caffeine, I guess you could have... um.... hot water? You could call it tea, and probably nobody would even notice.
__________________
Already we are boldly launched upon the deep; but soon we shall be lost in its unshored, harbourless immensities.

- - H. Melville, 1851
W2R is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 03:31 PM   #150
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 8,627
Root Beer does not have caffeine. And the taste is strong enough that one won't notice if they are drinking diet Root Beer or not. I will recommend the RootBeer with 10 calories per serving (A&W 10). it has enough fructose to be helpful, but not so much to be worried about gaining weight.
__________________
LOL! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 03:51 PM   #151
Administrator
W2R's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 38,949
Quote:
Originally Posted by LOL! View Post
Root Beer does not have caffeine.
Caffeine content for coffee, tea, soda and more - Mayo Clinic

The above link states that while A&W root beer has 0 mg. caffeine in a 12 oz serving, Barq's root beer, for example, has 16-18 mg in a serving of that size. So, I would check the ingredients before selecting any root beer that is not on the list.
__________________
Already we are boldly launched upon the deep; but soon we shall be lost in its unshored, harbourless immensities.

- - H. Melville, 1851
W2R is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 04:08 PM   #152
Moderator
Alan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Eee Bah Gum
Posts: 21,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by LOL! View Post
Root Beer does not have caffeine. And the taste is strong enough that one won't notice if they are drinking diet Root Beer or not. I will recommend the RootBeer with 10 calories per serving (A&W 10). it has enough fructose to be helpful, but not so much to be worried about gaining weight.
Worth considering if I liked root beer, but I have already switched from soda to Ribena and Robinson's Squash both of which are readily available at grocery stores here. (both are english drinks that I grew up drinking)

https://www.robinsonssquash.co.uk/

https://www.ribena.co.uk/
__________________
Retired in Jan, 2010 at 55, moved to England in May 2016
Now it's adventure before dementia
Alan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 05:06 PM   #153
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
braumeister's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Northern Kentucky
Posts: 8,630
FWIW, I'm not sure caffeine is such a big demon (at least for some people).

I had a checkup a couple of weeks ago that I had forgotten about until the last minute. So I showed up less than an hour after two large mugs of my normal very strong breakfast coffee.

I told the nurse that I had chronic white coat syndrome and that I was full of caffeine, but when she took my BP it was 132/82 and we were both surprised. I'll take those numbers with no qualms at all.
__________________
braumeister is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 05:31 PM   #154
Moderator Emeritus
aja8888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: The Woodlands, TX
Posts: 7,186
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan View Post
Worth considering if I liked root beer, but I have already switched from soda to Ribena and Robinson's Squash both of which are readily available at grocery stores here. (both are english drinks that I grew up drinking)

https://www.robinsonssquash.co.uk/

https://www.ribena.co.uk/
I have to try the Robinsons drinks as they are low to zero in carbs, which I am eliminating (mostly). The Ribena, not so low.
__________________
......."Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face." -- philosopher Mike Tyson.
aja8888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 06:29 PM   #155
Moderator
Alan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Eee Bah Gum
Posts: 21,146
Quote:
Originally Posted by aja8888 View Post
I have to try the Robinsons drinks as they are low to zero in carbs, which I am eliminating (mostly). The Ribena, not so low.
You can get them at HEB in the town center. Small amount of concentrate per glass of water.
__________________
Retired in Jan, 2010 at 55, moved to England in May 2016
Now it's adventure before dementia
Alan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 06:47 PM   #156
Moderator Emeritus
aja8888's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: The Woodlands, TX
Posts: 7,186
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan View Post
You can get them at HEB in the town center. Small amount of concentrate per glass of water.
Thanks!
__________________
......."Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face." -- philosopher Mike Tyson.
aja8888 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-26-2015, 10:22 PM   #157
Recycles dryer sheets
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Posts: 366
South African Rooibos tea is naturally caffeine-free, enjoyable hot or cold. I prefer plain Rooibos, but often times you find it is mixed/spiced.
__________________
springnr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2015, 02:08 PM   #158
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
audreyh1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Rio Grande Valley
Posts: 16,535
Quote:
Originally Posted by W2R View Post
Not to beat this issue to death... But, both decaf and some tea contain some small but measurable amount of caffeine. This list is very illuminating:

Caffeine content for coffee, tea, soda and more - Mayo Clinic

I would go ahead and cut out ALL caffeine if it was me (YMMV and that is OK too! Just trying to be helpful.). There's a lot of money in the sales of caffeinated beverages and foods, and call me a cynic but I think that sometimes the allowable total daily caffeine levels may be a little high. Some people do have an extreme reaction to small amounts of caffeine and reducing your caffeine intake to zero for, say, six months would fully eliminate caffeine as the potential culprit. This would not be hard for you to do, now that you are consuming so little of it.
Decaf may contain a little caffeine, but for DH who has difficulty with a pre-beat heartbeat with caffeine from tea or coffee has absolutely no symptoms with decaf coffee or tea.
__________________
Well, I thought I was retired. But it seems that now I'm working as a travel agent instead!
audreyh1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2015, 02:17 PM   #159
Give me a museum and I'll fill it. (Picasso)
Give me a forum ...
audreyh1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Rio Grande Valley
Posts: 16,535
OK - I lit up the irregular heartbeat indicator on my Omron blood pressure monitor this morning!!!

I had to look up that symbol. Then carefully looked through all of my readings which went back to 8/20. No such indicator on past readings.

Not so coincidentally, about an hour before taking my blood pressure, I had had some caffeinated coffee, and it was the first caffeinated drink in well over 3 months.

I waited a few minutes and took another set of readings. The indicator stayed off that time, thank goodness!

I think I'll be staying off the caffeine now - easy since DH avoids it. After the first couple of weeks weaning off it I was fine, and I've been fine for the past 3 months without it.
__________________
Well, I thought I was retired. But it seems that now I'm working as a travel agent instead!
audreyh1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-03-2015, 02:51 PM   #160
Administrator
W2R's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: New Orleans
Posts: 38,949
Audreyh1, that's scary! I'm glad you noticed it. I don't think I'd recognize that symbol so I should probably look it up in the manual.

I had a scare this morning when I took my BP with my Omron monitor this morning, too. In the past I seldom took my BP without a reason, but I have been recording it once a week for a month or two. Anyway, this morning, instead of diastolic being around 75-80, as it usually is, it was 57.

Kind of unnerving, since I have never had a diastolic that low before in my life AFAIK. The only possible causes I could think of, were that

(1) I was having a harder time that usual in fully awakening and also

(2) I had just taken my beta blocker seconds before measuring.

Anyway, after I lingered over two cups of coffee for an hour, it was back to 76 and I was much more wide awake. Weird. I hope this is not a sign from the supernatural that my time has come (joke! just a joke!)
__________________

__________________
Already we are boldly launched upon the deep; but soon we shall be lost in its unshored, harbourless immensities.

- - H. Melville, 1851
W2R is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Blood Pressure -- Experiments and Stategies TromboneAl Health and Early Retirement 117 07-25-2016 04:17 PM
Exercise and Blood Pressure Rambler Health and Early Retirement 16 09-10-2008 08:17 AM
Credit record, blood pressure, and health insurance kramer Health and Early Retirement 34 02-23-2007 04:24 PM

 

 
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:21 PM.
 
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.