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Old 11-14-2007, 09:20 PM   #21
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Rich, ever tried meditating with a 2.5 year old around the house?

I'd be more relaxed amidst a swarm of killer bees.

I'm just one of those folks that considers every possible permutation and outcome of every possible turn, all the things that need to be done, and when I'm out of that, what I could have done differently with all the things that have gone before.

I'm up to about age 7 so far on the last part.
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:24 AM   #22
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Rich, ever tried meditating with a 2.5 year old around the house?
Maybe the very reasons you feel you "can't" do it are the reasons you should do it. But, hey, just a suggestion, and not for everyone.

It's amazing how difficult it is to engage in this seemingly straightforward exercise.
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Old 11-17-2007, 08:43 AM   #23
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My old classmate is a pharmacist and says the body quits producing melatonin around 50 years of age.
I have been taking melatonin 3 mg. (2 tablets) every night for the last 6 years or so every night. It knocks me out within 20 minutes if I am even slightly tired. If wired, it takes longer. But I love it! And it's cheap!
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My old classmate is a pharmacist and says the body quits producing melatonin around 50 years of age.
I have been taking melatonin 3 mg. (2 tablets) every night for the last 6 years or so every night. It knocks me out within 20 minutes if I am even slightly tired. If wired, it takes longer. But I love it! And it's cheap!
Orchidflower... Can you wake up quickly in case of an emergency? The reason I asked is I used to take Trazadone (maybe it's the same stuff?) and I really had a hard time waking up in the middle of the night if I had to get up for anything (like potty time). My eyes would be half closed and I'd sort feel my way to the bathroom.
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My Experience Using Melatonin

I've never had a problem being groggy or not waking up. I use a "sublingual" (under the tongue) version that is lower dose (1MG or 2.5MG), though I have a time release (1MG) that seems to keep me asleep longer. For me, it doesn't always get me to sleep, but it can help, and doesn't keep me asleep for longer than normal. Sometimes I'll get 5-6 hours, and be ready to jump out of bed.

I've noticed that it doesn't work well if you've had a huge meal, or if you take it and don't wind down for sleep. From this aspect it's not like prescription meds or even Benadryl, where you have to fight it if you want to stay awake. I guess it is in tune with the body more, since your body makes melatonin and the amount gets greatest just before bed.

I don't know about all of the safety stuff, which I'm sure is important. I think it was Consumer Reports that studied the stuff, and said that different companies and even different batches can vary widely. I remember about 15 years ago getting some for travel from a big name chain of supplements, for "jet lag" and didn't see any effect. I get the sublingual tablets now from the natural grocery store and find that they actually work for me. I must say that I don't use it all the time, maybe for a few days in a row once or twice a month.
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I've always wondered how these medications would fare in a double-blind placebo test administered by spouses or family members.
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Old 11-17-2007, 02:16 PM   #27
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Consumer reports did a survey (May 2000) and "Melatonin failed to live up to its publicity for insomnia".
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I'm not sure that the melatonin I've been taking nightly is really doing anything. For a while, I thought it helped. Now I don't think it helps at all. Maybe I should take a break from it, but I almost need it to take it as a signal that I am going to try to go to sleep in 30 to 60 minutes.

Apparently, some melatonin products are worthless because of a lack of quality control (not required like prescription drugs). Consumer Labs analyzes a variety of vitamins and supplements. You have to pay to join to get the full report on the 30 melatonin products they tested, but here are a few that passed:

ConsumerLab.com - Melatonin Supplements review
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:12 AM   #29
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I use it. I workout 1hr a day and take care of myself. I just have a tough time sleeping - just a worrier I guess. I used to take tylanol PM and that worked too. For me Melatonin has no side affects, is natural and inexpensive - a no brainer!
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Taking 2 - 3 mg. Melatonin pills does not seem to affect my ability to get out of bed to go to the restroom, since someone asked.
The biggest thing is to NOT allow light to get into your eyes. That wakes you up. I just keep my eyes squinted throughout the whole trip from bed to potty and back...and go right back to nighty-night when I hit that bed. Again, I like Melatonin for myself.
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I've always wondered how these medications would fare in a double-blind placebo test administered by spouses or family members.
Well, not administered by your chosen researchers, but there have been some double-blind studies of melatonin: Google Scholar search. From a summary paper: "Nine of the ten trials found that melatonin, taken close to the target bedtime at the destination (10pm to midnight), decreased jet-lag from flights crossing five or more time zones."

Similar studies for its use as a sleep aid can be found by searching on "melatonin sleep".

None of this is to say it works for everyone. These are statistical results -- e.g., it's true to say that men are taller than women on average, but you can't use that fact to conclude that the wife is always shorter than the husband (see Dennis Kucinich).
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Good point about light

Orchidflower's post reminded me of something else I had read: to make sure that in the evening that no light is more than about 40W, and less is preferable. I think that may have a big impact for some people. I think that the light from the television also messes up my sleep.

Robert the Red has a good point that basically different things work for different people. And I've found that at different times different things work for me.

I'm glad to know that my experience with Melatonin sort of lines up with other peoples - that it doesn't "drug" me to sleep, that it doesn't always work, and that it is only one component (i.e. light, relaxation) in the equation of a good night's rest.
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:29 AM   #33
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I use melatonin when traveling overseas to re-adjust to the time zones. It does help with the jet lag. I take it the once few nights in the new time zone and it helps me get my sleep cycle back in sync.

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