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Old 07-12-2009, 03:11 PM   #21
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Old 07-12-2009, 03:49 PM   #22
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I don't have any interest in starting a debate here. "Mind blowing" was my own reaction. Conclude what you will. I was just put it out there FYI.
No problemo and no offense intended, Oldbabe--I think it's great that you posted the videos and obviously people were interested to see them.

It's just that I have a very slow computer and the two videos are almost 12 minutes long for a fast computer, so for me it would be at least 20 minutes to see them. So I'm generally not going to click on ANY videos if I don't know what they're about (unless it's T-Al's video about negotiating with the dentist, but that was only 3 minutes long). So for me personally and maybe for others, it's always helpful to get a little description when someone posts a video link.
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So for me personally and maybe for others, it's always helpful to get a little description when someone posts a video link.
Point taken. I'm sorry you couldn't watch the video.
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I happened to come across some relevant data while googling today:

FactCheck.org: Pushing for a Public Plan
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In 2007, national health care expenditures totaled $2.2 trillion. Health insurance profits of nearly $13 billion make up 0.6 percent of that. CEO compensation is a mere 0.005 percent of total spending.
0.005% just doesn't qualify as "mind blowing" in my book. Not even 0.6% qualifies.

Well, maybe it does. Considering all the angst over this supposed gouging of the public,and a few gold-trimmed plates, 0.6% and 0.005% are "mind-blowingly" small numbers.

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I should have read further in that same article....

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The Medicare fee-for-service program had an estimated $10.4 billion in improper payments, plus Medicare Advantage doled out $6.8 billion that it shouldn’t have. Medicaid’s improper payments totaled $18.6 billion for the year. Those figures surpass the profits reaped by insurance companies and the pay their CEOs took home.
Not exactly apples-to-apples; waste in Medicare versus profits in private ins - that does not account for waste in private ins. But I think it does add some valuable perspective.

So, does Moyer have a 'tell-all' segment with a former Medicare administrator?


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I happened to come across some relevant data while googling today:

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0.005% just doesn't qualify as "mind blowing" in my book. Not even 0.6% qualifies.

Well, maybe it does. Considering all the angst over this supposed gouging of the public,and a few gold-trimmed plates, 0.6% and 0.005% are "mind-blowingly" small numbers.

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This is a little misleading as it fails to include the "cost" of providing that health care insurance. Their profit was $13b, but what was their revenue and how much of that was waste to the system? We could hire 2 more doctors for what we pay annually for support staff who just do billing and coding and handle (the many) denials for payment from the insurance companies including Medicare.

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Yes, can you tell us just what you found "mind blowing" about this clip?
I, for one, found the images of people crowded around tents in bad weather getting medical care in animal stalls to be "Mind Blowing!" (with an exclamation point).
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This is a little misleading as it fails to include the "cost" of providing that health care insurance. Their profit was $13b, but what was their revenue and how much of that was waste to the system? We could hire 2 more doctors for what we pay annually for support staff who just do billing and coding and handle (the many) denials for payment from the insurance companies including Medicare.

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Agreed - the numbers are rarely apples-to-apples, but I think they are interesting. My following post was commenting on that.

Do you find the that you spend more staff time for the average Medicare claim/denial than private ins, or less? I found a few stats on the web, didn't take the time to check out the background for "agendas" (plenty of those in this issue).

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I, for one, found the images of people crowded around tents in bad weather getting medical care in animal stalls to be "Mind Blowing!" (with an exclamation point).
Thanks for providing some context. I agree with you, that part was indeed sad. But with those 0.6% and 0.005% numbers don't justify throwing the blame on the ins cos profits or the executives salaries for that problem.

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