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Old 02-16-2013, 08:36 PM   #21
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If your finger is not on the trigger the gun will not discharge.

Not true all the time. When I was young I had a Winchester Model 97 12 gauge that on several occasions when chambering a round the hammer would drop and discharge.
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Old 02-16-2013, 09:29 PM   #22
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Not true all the time. When I was young I had a Winchester Model 97 12 gauge that on several occasions when chambering a round the hammer would drop and discharge.
Yep; totally unsafe but a very cool shotgun. I shot a lot of rabbits with one of these with no choke at all.

Old fashioned revolvers could discharge with a sharp blow on the hammer. I think it was in the 70s that Ruger introduced the transfer bar in double action revolvers, so that the hammer could not contact the firing pin unless the tranfer bar was in place. As I remember it moved between the hammer and fp as the hammer fell, this transferring the impulse for hammer to firing pin to primer.

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So, if I am intoxicated and fall down the stairs, which would they attribute my death to?
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Which reminds me of a small rant of mine.... the whole "breast cancer" thing. This is a real cottage industry. If you isolate breast cancer deaths, IIRC, it is not even in the top ten. Yet giving to it is de rigueur. To not give means you are a hearltess bastard - damn the statistics. Rant off.
I wondered where cancer was on the chart in post #1 based on NSC data (and I still don't see it), especially after seeing that the broad category "cancer" was #2 on the (also) NSC link in post #10.

I don't know much about the topic other than two spouses of friends in our lives have died of breast cancer, both far too young. Several friends/co-workers have died of other cancers, and others live with cancer in remission.

After spending less than 5 minutes on Google, I couldn't find much support for your POV...
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The last five annual SEER reports show the following estimates of lifetime risk of breast cancer, all very close to a lifetime risk of 1 in 8:

12.7 percent for 2001 through 2003
12.3 percent for 2002 through 2004
12.0 percent for 2003 through 2005
12.1 percent for 2004 through 2006
12.4 percent for 2005 through 2007

Age 30 . . . . . . 0.44 percent (or 1 in 227)
Age 40 . . . . . . 1.47 percent (or 1 in 68)
Age 50 . . . . . . 2.38 percent (or 1 in 42)
Age 60 . . . . . . 3.56 percent (or 1 in 28)
Age 70 . . . . . . 3.82 percent (or 1 in 26)
Breast Cancer Risk in American Women - National Cancer Institute
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It's very odd that they don't list cancer and other diseases on the list that should surely be there based on rates. My guess is that being a "safety council" they wanted to focus more on deaths from preventable causes or maybe the article filtered out death causes to cover a bigger spectrum.

On the CDC list http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_06.pdf there are only 2 in the top ten that aren't diseases.
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So, if I am intoxicated and fall down the stairs, which would they attribute my death to?
Stupidity?
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It would be interesting to see this broken down by age groups. Like every 5 years - ages 50-54; 55-59; 60-64; etc...

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It would be interesting to see this broken down by age groups. Like every 5 years - ages 50-54; 55-59; 60-64; etc...

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It was surprising to see walking and falling down stairs so high in the list. I walk a couple of miles every day and I live in a two story house. Who know I had such a high risk lifestyle LOL!
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It was surprising to see walking and falling down stairs so high in the list. I walk a couple of miles every day and I live in a two story house. Who know I had such a high risk lifestyle LOL!
That is what killed one of DW's grandfathers. At 92 he fell down the stairs at the home of DW's aunt, with whom he had been living for the previous few years.
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Thanks - very interesting, I bookmarked it. I poked around a bit, will look more later. It is interactive, so the rankings change as you click the various factors. Interesting to me that suicide drops so much with age. You'd think old people facing some rough health problems ahead would be more likely to take this route? Or maybe with that sort of depression, many of the suicide-inclined don't make it to old age?

Pretty grim reading, lots of cancers and heart/stroke issues for us elders. You gotta go one way or the other.

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Interesting to me that suicide drops so much with age. You'd think old people facing some rough health problems ahead would be more likely to take this route? Or maybe with that sort of depression, many of the suicide-inclined don't make it to old age?
No, that's what Dr. Kevorkian was for...
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Anyone surprised by all the poisoning going on?

And for young people in the 25 to 45 range, it is rank #1 or #2.

What's going on? I think these are different than suicide. Is it carbon monoxide? Alcohol? Drugs? Or what? You'd think this would be very preventable.

We have all sorts of charity run events for many of the things you see on these lists, but never the "run for poison avoidance."

My guess is that it is drinking and drug overdose.

Edit: now more confused. Both "alcohol" and "drug use" are also listed. So what the heck is poisoning all these young people?
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After spending less than 5 minutes on Google, I couldn't find much support for your POV...
I stand corrected. The leading causes of DEATH in women are....

Heart 24.0
Total Cancer 22.2
Stroke 6.3
Respiratory 5.9
Alzheimer 4.5
Injuries 3.0
Diabetes 2.8
Flu 2.3
Kidney 2.0


Breaking Cancer down...
Lung 38.6
Breast 22.2
Colorectla 13.1

So, 22.2% of all cancer deaths are breast which means that breast cancer is 4.9% of all deaths (22.2% X 22.2%). JUST beating out alzheimer for 5th place.

My main point remains, Heart, Lung Cancer, Stroke and Chronic Lower respiratory diseases all kill significantly more women, yet do not have the force of the Susan G. Komen foundation pushing their cause. I still maintain it is a cottage industry unto itself.
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I see your much more likely to be taken out by a meteor (75m to 1) than you are to win the power ball lottery (175M to 1).
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I see your much more likely to be taken out by a meteor (75m to 1) than you are to win the power ball lottery (175M to 1).
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My biggest fear when I FIRE is dying from too much red wine.
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Last physical I had the Doc informed me that they had found traces of urine in the sample of red wine I had given
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