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Old 09-14-2016, 10:23 AM   #41
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Everyone seems to be missing my point, which is that you can't trust any of these studies without knowing who is performing them, who is paying them to perform them, and how much of that and future payments are based on the results reflecting the desires of the sponsors. And even if the scientists (or whoever) aren't being influenced by money, how many statistics and facts are they ignoring or mangling to make the results fit within their own predefined desired outcomes? I know in a perfect world none of this would happen, but this is not that world. So definitely look beyond the headlines (which the news people usually get wrong anyway), and make your best guess as to what will work best for you. Good luck!

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Originally Posted by Chuckanut View Post
A recent podcast from the People's Pharmacy reported that an Italian study found that a Mediterranean Diet is just as protective of health as taking a statin. Look up show 1048.

So, more fish, veggies, fruit, nuts, and olive oil. Less processed foods, sugar, and factory meats.
Not sure of this most recent study you cite but others have, the Med diet improves health , lowers heart attacks, without regard to lowering cholesterol.

And in real life REAL Mediterraneans eat huge amounts of cheese, highly slated cured fatty meats, eggs, huge amounts of processed refined starches, and very little in the way of whole grains. (And if you read the label whole grains are the same as refined grains. Not a dime's worth of difference) What Mediterraneans do these people study? But I suppose they can call their diet whatever they want.

And if I eat fruit my triglycerides go over 600 so that is a heart attack, obesity, diabetes causing recommendation.

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Originally Posted by harley View Post
you can't trust any of these studies
I'd be very skeptical of that conclusion.
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What Mediterraneans do these people study?
It has long been known that there is no generally accepted definition of "Mediterranean diet" since the term was first used.
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Any study needs to be viewed critically. You need to determine how the study was done to determine if it is "valid" or not. Maybe people forgot what they were eating and didn't report accurately. Maybe the folks looking at the data reached the wrong conclusion. Maybe it is just the fact that people aren't eating junk or red meat. I have heard the Med diet studies have over emphasized olive oil to help fuel their industry and under emphasized vegetables because there is little profit for big business in it.
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If you check the $10 lists at Walmart or go to Costco and they provide prices for name brands and generic alternatives and the like you can see which drugs are inexpensive. Avorstatin comes in at $20 full price for 30 tablets for example at Costco. ...
A 30-day supply of Atorvastatin is free at Meijer stores (located in the Great Lakes states and Kentucky).

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