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Retiree Health plan with Medicare?
11-17-2015, 02:24 PM
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Retiree Health plan with Medicare?
I'm very close to FIRE and have to seriously consider what I'm going to do about medical insurance. I work for a state and am eligible to opt for their BCBS administered self-insured plan. Rates have been stable for a number of years (amazing with all the stories I've seen here over the last few days). It subscribes to the blue card program (so I have in-network access when out of state and when travelling overseas). It's not cheap at $430/person/month but a reasonable deal (In network: $1,000 deductible, 20% copay until $2,500 reached). If I opt out of the plan, I can never opt back in . I plan to keep this coverage for me and my wife for the period between FIRE and medicare.
My question really concerns what I do when I hit medicare eligibility age. At 65 the plan becomes secondary and effectively mandates I maintain medicare A,B and D coverage (prescription benefits vanish when I hit medicare age). The monthly rate for my retiree coverage drops to $180/person/month (plus, of course, the medicare premiums). I would maintain international travel insurance, but I'm not sure what other benefits I would get and whether they would be worth paying for.
What do others do in a similar circumstance? Why would I not drop retiree coverage at 65? Any insight or advice would be appreciated.
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11-17-2015, 02:35 PM
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I am currently in a similar situation that for 2016 I have signed up to my ex employer retiree healthcare at $700/mo for the 2 of us as it is a PPO with wide network including overseas. I'll be eligible for Medicare in 2020 which, in insurance price hikes and changes to the retiree, is a long way in the distance so I'm going to simply wait and see what the position is in 2017, 2018, ......
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11-17-2015, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by fosterscik
My question really concerns what I do when I hit medicare eligibility age. At 65 the plan becomes secondary and effectively mandates I maintain medicare A,B and D coverage (prescription benefits vanish when I hit medicare age). The monthly rate for my retiree coverage drops to $180/person/month (plus, of course, the medicare premiums). I would maintain international travel insurance, but I'm not sure what other benefits I would get and whether they would be worth paying for.
What do others do in a similar circumstance? Why would I not drop retiree coverage at 65? Any insight or advice would be appreciated.
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Can you get a description of the secondary coverage? If so, you can compare it with a Medigap plan and see if it makes sense to continue with the $180 retiree option.
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11-17-2015, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by fosterscik
If I opt out of the plan, I can never opt back in .
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This would be a huge red flag to me that it is probably a good thing to stay with it, and I'd be VERY careful to fully understand what the alternatives are before dropping it.
I stayed with my former employer's BCBS PPO plan that became secondary to Medicare at 65. It is now just over $600/month for me and DW (she is not yet 65) and in January will go up ~$112/month, almost all of that for prescription coverage. That's only for the 30% of the premium that I pay and includes prescription coverage in which co-pays are pretty low. Since I'd otherwise have some heavy-duty prescription costs I'll keep it.
Yes other plans secondary to Medicare would be cheaper, but they have much higher deductibles/co-pays and given some recent health issues for me I'd be crazy to drop this plan.
If I drop it I can still get back in but there are some lengthy waiting periods before some things are covered so I have no plans to drop it.
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11-17-2015, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by fosterscik
My question really concerns what I do when I hit medicare eligibility age. At 65 the plan becomes secondary and effectively mandates I maintain medicare A,B and D coverage (prescription benefits vanish when I hit medicare age). The monthly rate for my retiree coverage drops to $180/person/month (plus, of course, the medicare premiums). I would maintain international travel insurance, but I'm not sure what other benefits I would get and whether they would be worth paying for.
What do others do in a similar circumstance? Why would I not drop retiree coverage at 65? Any insight or advice would be appreciated.
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Because you want something that covers the "gap" - the 20% coinsurance that Medicare doesn't pay. You need a medigap plan or equivalent.
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11-17-2015, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by audreyh1
Because you want something that covers the "gap" - the 20% coinsurance that Medicare doesn't pay. You need a medigap plan or equivalent.
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Exactly. I had dinner last week with an old work colleague who has been on the same retiree plan as myself, except he and his wife are now in their 70's. In response to this year's big price hike, from $381 to $697 for a couple, decided to drop it and go with a much cheaper Medigap plan he bought through an insurance agent. (The company also stopped paying the Medicare Part B for all retirees, so his price hike was over $500/mo).
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11-17-2015, 03:51 PM
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I obviously need to understand medigap policies (but like Alan, I have time to sort all this out). As Walt notes, I really need to understand what I'm doing given the irrevocable decision I make if I drop coverage, but unlike Walt I definitely lose all prescription coverage once I become medicare eligible.
Thanks for all the feedback. I now know what I need to google!
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11-17-2015, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MichaelB
Can you get a description of the secondary coverage? If so, you can compare it with a Medigap plan and see if it makes sense to continue with the $180 retiree option.
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This is key. Compare the price and coverage your former employer policy provides vs. the various medigap policies available to you. Plenty of time to learn what your options are between now and when you have to make a decision.
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11-17-2015, 05:33 PM
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If it was me I would opt in for now (the prices for coverage you are stating are great for the deductibles and OOP you mention). You can consider the Medicare issue when you get closer to Medicare.
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11-18-2015, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Katsmeow
If it was me I would opt in for now (the prices for coverage you are stating are great for the deductibles and OOP you mention). You can consider the Medicare issue when you get closer to Medicare.
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+1 When you approach 65, if the plan turns out to be better than medigap plans offer keep it until you can do better on your own.
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11-18-2015, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by fosterscik
I plan to keep this coverage for me and my wife for the period between FIRE and medicare.
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+1 The BlueCard Program is a valuable benefit. The MD Anderson Cancer Ctr in Houston is in its network. Hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
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Originally Posted by MichaelB
Can you get a description of the secondary coverage? If so, you can compare it with a Medigap plan and see if it makes sense to continue with the $180 retiree option.
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+1 Keep in mind the $180 retiree secondary plan premium may be group (aka community) rated. Medigap premiums in your area may use attained-age, low at 65 but high at 80+. If so, you would need to use an average in your comparison.
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11-18-2015, 09:33 AM
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Thanks MBSC. I hadn't considered the potential age-related Medigap problem. Another thing to check out. My secondary premium is definitely a group rate and not age dependent so that may well be the most important aspect.
The wife and I may well move after retirement to be nearer our son and/or our daughter. Where will that be? Hard to predict the future. Young folks tend to move around a lot. The portability the blue card program will be extremely valuable to us until Medicare. After medicare, the age-related benefit mentioned above may well dictate we stay with our ex-employer's plan (both of us have individual coverage).
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