Should All Obese People Lose Weight?

[FinanceDude]

What does Rich-In-Tampa always say: "Get skinny, and then get skinnier"............

 

[Sarah in SC]

I guess I can't generate a whole bunch of angst one way or another over what other people *should* do. I keep to my own counsel, lose weight when I think I should, and eat what I think I should eat. I'm the only person I can truly influence.

My God, the effort it takes to pass judgement on other people's habits! Smokers, drinkers, overeaters, breeders, people with tattoos, big spenders, etc. I think I'll try to use my time to improve myself, as it probably has better returns than trying to get other people to improve themselves.

 

[RetirementColdHardTruth]

I found this study interesting. As one of the healthy obese (fair physical fitness, low cholesterol, normal blood pressure, active, pretty good diet, etc.), I love these studies. I mean, I really improved my over the last decade and tried to exercise more, but I just have a heck of a time losing weight. When I see stuff like this, I wonder if dieting all the time just to see my weight jump right back to where my body seems to be comfortable is really necessary?
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I used to find it extremely difficult to loose weight until I discovered that the simple calories in and calories out is not exactly how it works. The first thing you need to understand is that your body stores excess fat in order to take toxins out of your blood stream to protect you. If you remove toxins from your diet through juicing green leafy vegtables with carrot and apple for flavor, you will loose a bunch of weight.

My experience. I juice about 1 liter of fresh juice with 4 carrots 2 green apples and the rest kale, chard, spinach, celery and cucumber for breakfast. At lunch I do another one, and at dinner another and then a very light dinner after about 30 minutes. I lost 1lb a day without any exercise. My skin and face looks about 10 years younger and I no longer get daily headakes, knee pain, back pain etc.

If you are interested there are a bunch of videos on youtube about this as well as a ton of information on the internet. All you have to do is search for either Juice Feast or Juice Fasting.

On a true Juice Feast you wouldn't eat anything just take juices. I found that hard to do so I kept a small dinner. Salmon, Chicken and vegetables.

Since doing this I have cut out any food that comes from a box, can or is processed excessively. I do lean Salmon Chicken or a good cut of Beef but only about 8oz a day.

 

[MichaelB]

My God, the effort it takes to pass judgement on other people's habits! Smokers, drinkers, overeaters, breeders, people with tattoos, big spenders, etc. I think I'll try to use my time to improve myself, as it probably has better returns than trying to get other people to improve themselves.

Judging others is less rewarding but so much more fun. It's also way easier.

 

[travelover]

Judging others is less rewarding but so much more fun. It's also way easier.

Yea, I hate people that judge others.

 

[flyfishnevada]

Judging others is like a sport. Its half the reason I go to Wal-Mart.

 

[martyp]

I used to find it extremely difficult to loose weight until I discovered that the simple calories in and calories out is not exactly how it works.

Actually, it is true that weight loss is about calories in vs calories out. That's the way the universe works. Sorry. The fact that this concept is simple doesn't mean that losing weight is easy. I suspect that there are more healthy ways to lose weight and less healthy ways to reduce weight. For example: simply starving yourself is probably not a healthy way to lose weight. Reducing you net calorie intake with a balanced diet is more likely to be a healthy way to lose weight. It probably matters what weight you are starting from as well.

The weight issue is about both health and self esteem. From a health perspective it is simply a statistics game. Not everyone who is "overweight" is going to get sick or die early any more than is every smoker going to get sick or die early. People in our society have great difficulties in assessing risk. There may be additional factors besides BMI that correlate with health risks. You need to learn about the known risk statistics and make you own judgement about what you want to do. You may also want to look at how you make decisions based on risk.

On the other hand, your quality of life and your self image also matters. The best medical solution is not necessarily the best life solution. After all, you could easily lose weight by cutting off your arm. This doesn't seem like a good choice but then plenty of people staple their stomachs which is getting pretty darn close to losing a limb.

It is obvious that there is a subset of smokers and those with weight issues that find it impossible to surmount the physical and psychological barriers to changing their situation. You need to find some way to accept yourself in this world. Learn to like yourself and others will like you too.

 

[FinanceDude]

On Comedy Central a few years ago, there was a guy picking on obese people. He commented that: "Not all obses people should think they have to lose weight, on the fat ones"..........he got pretty good crowd response on that........

The only issue I have with people that are very overweight is at times their choice of dress. Shoehorning yourself into tight Spandex pants WILL get you noticed, but often NOT in the right way........

 

[a]

Actually, it is true that weight loss is about calories in vs calories out.

Technically yeah, but because of set-point I think it's fair to say, from a practical standpoint, for humans, weight loss is about being able to have control over one's reptilian brain or autonomic nervous system, which is similar to saying "all you have to do is be able to change your heart rate or body temperature like those monks that can dry wet cloths with their bodies while sitting in snow, or live encased in ice like David Blaine." It's technically possible but one can't expect any significant number of people to be able to do it.

 

[TromboneAl]

My God, the effort it takes to pass judgement on other people's habits! Smokers, drinkers, overeaters, breeders, people with tattoos, big spenders, etc.

I agree, but I don't think it's not a matter of choice. Give me a pill that will make me not judge someone who is smoking, tattooed, driving an overpriced gas guzzler, and drinking a 20 oz Pepsi, and I will take that pill.

 

[TromboneAl]

Actually, it is true that weight loss is about calories in vs calories out. That's the way the universe works. Sorry.

You say that it's just "calories in/calories out," and you're 100% right. But I'm going to give you an example, that I think will make you realize, that while true, that law is actually irrelevant to weight loss, and that all calories are not equivalent.

Let's say I gave you a pill to eat every morning. This pill contains only four calories. However, this pill affects your hormonal balance, and it makes you ravenously hungry all the time, and also quite lethargic. Perhaps it's related to your thyroid, but that doesn't matter for this example. What matters is that it makes you hungry and sedentary.

As a result, you are going to gain weight. The pill is only a few calories, but you have gained weight because it has made you to eat a lot more food and move around less.

Has your "calories in/calories out" thermodynamic law been violated? No, because, as a result of your extra eating, you have taken in a lot more calories, and expended fewer. But because of the nature of these calories that you've eaten, namely those four calories in the pill that affects your metabolism, you have gained weight. If you were to stop taking that four-calorie pill, you'd lose weight.

In other words, calories in/calories out is true, but not helpful in understanding weight gain or loss.

 

[a]

If you were to stop taking that four-calorie pill, you'd lose weight.

Is this four-calorie pill sugar/refined grains/carbohydrates?

 

[Moemg]

At least once a month we have someone join our classes at the gym who is usually much younger than the rest of us and exremely obese . I have to give these woman a lot of credit to take the first step . Think how hard that must be .

 

[Moemg]

Hey Moemg, there is no shortage of Well Nourished British lads here in Thailand. FYI

That is tempting chubby british guys and a lower cost of living !

 

[HFWR]

There's a difference between a "few extra pounds" and "obese"...

 

[Nemo2]

At least once a month we have someone join our classes at the gym who is usually much younger than the rest of us and exremely obese . I have to give these woman a lot of credit to take the first step . Think how hard that must be .

Back a number of years when I ran/played with lifting weights at the local 'Y' after w*rk I'd often see (new) obese people on the track.......they'd chug around until they almost dropped......apparently believing they could lose all the weight in one day.

Don't believe I ever saw one of them show up twice.

 

[kombat]

I used to find it extremely difficult to loose weight until I discovered that the simple calories in and calories out is not exactly how it works.

No, that's actually exactly how it works.

The first thing you need to understand is that your body stores excess fat in order to take toxins out of your blood stream to protect you.

No, you're thinking of the kidneys. Fat is just stored energy.

If you remove toxins from your diet through juicing green leafy vegtables with carrot and apple for flavor, you will loose a bunch of weight.

I didn't realize "toxins" were so heavy.

Isn't it possible that the high-fibre content of leafy green vegetables make you feel fuller sooner, so your appetite is sated with fewer calories? Is it possible that is what actually leads to the weight loss?

Maybe you should get your nutritional information from an actual doctor, rather than late-night juicer infomercials.

 

[Moemg]

Back a number of years when I ran/played with lifting weights at the local 'Y' after w*rk I'd often see (new) obese people on the track.......they'd chug around until they almost dropped......apparently believing they could lose all the weight in one day.

Don't believe I ever saw one of them show up twice.

We have several women in our class who are now half the size they were when they first joined .

 

[RetirementColdHardTruth]

Isn't it possible that the high-fibre content of leafy green vegetables make you feel fuller sooner, so your appetite is sated with fewer calories? Is it possible that is what actually leads to the weight loss?

Maybe you should get your nutritional information from an actual doctor, rather than late-night juicer infomercials.

Well the fact that you are juicing all of this removes all the non soluble fiber. I did my calorie counting and I was consuming more than 2400 calories in a day through juice and light dinner. Mostly due to the number of carrots and apples that was in my juices. Anyway, no additional exercise other than standard walking around etc.

So if you are correct that calories in vs calories out I should have been gaining weight. I certainly wasn't doing an extra 3600 calories of expenditure each day that would have taken to drop the 1 pound a day I was experiencing. It has since leveled off, but I was 200 lb (that's the reason I started this) and now I have leveled off at 166lb. I am 5 foot 9 inches tall male.

Say what you guys want, but the weight loss community are starting to figure this all out. Fat is used to store toxins. If you give your body the nutrients in green leafy vegetables you remove the need for the fat stores. They then get broken down and removed from the body.

It is true you can burn them using extra energy, but this is not the only way. I have had blood work done 6 weeks ago and again 3 days ago, my heavy metals have all dropped, my bad cholesterol has dropped, my good cholesterol has raised. Look, you guys can believe all day long that the world is still flat but it doesn't make it so.

Don't believe me? Try a juice fast for yourself and see the pounds melt away. Check out the wheat grass trucker, or Dan the liferegenerator on youtube. There are thousands of these success stories.

The fact is "Those convinced against their will are of the same opinion still". Based on my experience and those of the people I have seen doing juice fasting or feasting there is much more to weight loss than just total calories in vs total calories out. Don't believe me try it yourself and report your success or failures.

 

[flyfishnevada]

I agree, but I don't think it's not a matter of choice. Give me a pill that will make me not judge someone who is smoking, tattooed, driving an overpriced gas guzzler, and drinking a 20 oz Pepsi, and I will take that pill.

Thank God, I drink 32 oz Cokes

There's a difference between a "few extra pounds" and "obese"...

Even those terms are bogus. Bodybuilders are obese if you only use the BMI charts. It's not just a weight, a BMI number or whatever. I'm obviously overweight, but many people can't believe a I weigh what I do. I'm not a 160 lb guy trapped in a 300 lb body. I'm a 220 lb guy trapped in a 300 lb body.

I love it when my 150 lb, 5 foot 4 inch doctor tells me I need to weigh 180 lbs as I tower over him, my shoulders twice as wide as his. Really? people are built different and charts and graphs can only approximate at best. Like the body builder example, we can all agree those guys are anything but fat, but when you weight 230 lbs and are only 5'8", the charts say you're overweight, if not obese.

No, that's actually exactly how it works.

To a point yes, but if you take in say 1000 calories a day, you will likely gain weight as your body goes into starvation mode. Not calories in calories out. Same if you exercise too much and take in too little. You can gain weight if you are dieting and weight training as you're body trades fat for muscle. You can lose weight, but get fatter as your body loses muscle and gains fat.

There are a lot of mysterious goings on in the various glands and primitive brain areas, probably at least somewhat caused by processed and refined foods, that cause people to plateau even though they take in fewer calories than they expend, even for long periods. You're body can steal muscle and build fat reserves independent of your caloric intake.

My body loves my current weight. I've been up to 20 lbs lighter on several occasions, but no matter what I do, once I stop dieting, my weight jumps back up. I'm talking days, not weeks or months. If a pound is 3500 calories, there is no way I take in an additional 35000 to 70000 calories in the course of a week or so. I've kept track, but it's all but impossible to do so. something else is going on besides simple calories in, calories out.

Long term, I agree that if you take in fewer calories than you expend you will lose weight, but even then weird things happen. It is not a simple thing or we'd all loose weight at will. Just cut down a few calories and magically the weight would melt away, but as many people can attest, that isn't always the way it works out.

 

[rescueme]

Judging others is like a sport. Its half the reason I go to Wal-Mart.

Don't need to go. Just enjoy the view from your favorite chair:

Funny Pictures at WalMart Photos

 

[aaronc879]

While "calories in vs. calories out" is real, not everyone burns the same number of calories even if they are equally active. I eat nothing but processed garbage and lots of it. I get no physical activity except for a small amount of walking. I never eat fruits or vegetables except lettuce in tacos and mashed potatoes with butter and/or gravy. I eat a pizza with pepperoni and sausage almost every single day with a soda to drink. I eat processed summer sausage with processed cheese and high carbohydrate bread. Also have several fatty peanut butter sandwiches per day. I eat up to 10 cookies per day at 60 calories each along with other snacks. I've eaten like this for over 10 years and never gain weight. The average person likely would've gained 50+ pounds over 10 years doing what i've done. I clearly have a very high resting calorie burn(high metabolism). I do nothing to burn extra calories yet I burn all ~4000 I take in every day. Others struggle to burn half that even with lots of exercise. I'm 6'6 1/2 and weigh 165lbs.

"Should obese people loose weight?"
If by "obese", you mean over 30% body fat, then yes. That doesn't mean they can though. If a doctor told me I had to gain 40lbs of fat or i'd die, then i'd die. The opposite is true for others. Not everyone is built the same.

 

[haha]

While "calories in vs. calories out" is real, not everyone burns the same number of calories even if they are equally active. I eat nothing but processed garbage and lots of it. I get no physical activity except for a small amount of walking. I never eat fruits or vegetables except lettuce in tacos and mashed potatoes with butter and/or gravy. I eat a pizza with pepperoni and sausage almost every single day with a soda to drink. I eat processed summer sausage with processed cheese and high carbohydrate bread. Also have several fatty peanut butter sandwiches per day. I eat up to 10 cookies per day at 60 calories each along with other snacks. I've eaten like this for over 10 years and never gain weight. The average person likely would've gained 50+ pounds over 10 years doing what i've done. I clearly have a very high resting calorie burn(high metabolism). I do nothing to burn extra calories yet I burn all ~4000 I take in every day. Others struggle to burn half that even with lots of exercise. I'm 6'6 1/2 and weight 165lbs.

"Should obese people loose weight?"
If by "obese", you mean over 30% body fat, then yes. That doesn't mean they can though. If a doctor told me I had to gain 40lbs of fat or i'd die, then i'd die. The opposite is true for others. Not everyone is built the same.

+1. we do not know everything, either as an accepted body of scientific knowlege, or as indiviual opinionators.

Thus, we would seem more attractive if we were not so judmental and opinionated. It is unfortunate enough to be opinionated, doubly unfortunate to be opinionated and wrong.

The other thing I wonder about- who designated overweight people as today's favotite piñata?

Ha

 

[HFWR]

Even those terms are bogus. Bodybuilders are obese if you only use the BMI charts. It's not just a weight, a BMI number or whatever. I'm obviously overweight, but many people can't believe a I weigh what I do. I'm not a 160 lb guy trapped in a 300 lb body. I'm a 220 lb guy trapped in a 300 lb body.

I'm not talking about charts, though. But too much body fat, especially in the midsection, seems to be problematic.

 

[braumeister]

OK, I'm convinced. I'm going to start my Vitameatavegamin juice diet first thing in the morning.